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In Reply to: RE: No again posted by Triode_Kingdom on July 10, 2017 at 10:46:46
Go back to the OP and see what my question really was TK. I stated quite clearly I only wanted to hear from anyone who had actually tried this themselves. Apparently that part escaped you. I don't give a big rats #$@ what the conclusion is as long as it is one that is done in a manner that can be duplicated by others, including me. I just want to know the truth through a demonstrable test. Why are you so afraid to try the setup I used TK? My mind is not made up, but it will not give in to speculation or hearsay either. Try the test then get back to me. As I said no one has tried it themselves so far.
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"I stated quite clearly I only wanted to hear from anyone who had actually tried this themselves."
FROM MY POSTS: I was involved in extensive double-blind A/B tests of SS amplifiers in the '70s and '80s. AND... I was involved in extensive A/B testing of amps and preamps many years ago. I'll add here that I've bench tested thousands of amplifiers - tube and SS - in my lifetime. Do you really think you're the first person to switch between amplifiers in an effort to hear the difference? I did this decades ago.
"Why are you so afraid to try the setup I used TK?"
FROM MY POST: "I no longer do this, simply because my ears are no longer good enough." I'll bet the same applies to you (older than me), and that the cheap OPTs you insist on using for these tests aren't helping you differentiate the details that would otherwise be obvious.
"As I said no one has tried it themselves so far."
You're just not paying attention.
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Buy Chinese. Bury freedom.
I don't care what you did 30 years ago TK, try it now the way I set it up and see what you get. What are you afraid of?
Vinnie,
The folks here are trying to help you - now and have done extensively in the past. They share their experience and opinions and invest their time and energy.
Mostly, they don't need you to agree with them; but, it might nice to appreciate their efforts and demonstrate modicum of respect by not personally attacking and baiting them.
So, you didn't have your position validated. Don't fret! You'll get all the validation you could ask for at Hydrogen Audio.
91.
"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein
If these guys (two in particular) are trying so hard to help me, then why can't they just spend a few hours and set up the same test rig that I did and see for themselves one way or the other?
As far as attacking and baiting, if you follow the thread you will see that was only done in response to attacking and baiting on their part, and not before. Tit for tat as it were. And I am not fretting, I am pissed. The attitude that a few people display on this forum of "how dare you not accept what we say as gospel" is a bit much to take. The whole idea of this forum is supposed to be about trying new things and learning as you do so, but you would hardly ever know that from the responses and dogma that several people here post.
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Vinnie, I don't see them baiting and tit for tat achieves little but burning relationships.
Yes, you are pissed. Others are exasperated and frustrated. There is little to be gained from continuing in this vein. It might be best to just step away for a bit.
I'll take my own advice also.
Take care.
91.
"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein
If you don't see the baiting and insinuations then you did not look very carefully. Start at "summary" and go from there for a short while.
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There will be a considerable amount of:
if you can't tell the difference, then...
1. you're stupid
2. can't hear
3. have a crappy system
4. don't know how to listen 'properly'
5. your choice of amp topology, components, tubes, etc is poor
How you choose to deal with it is entirely up to you...:)
cheers,
Douglas
Friend, I would not hurt thee for the world...but thou art standing where I am about to shoot.
And the thread takes up more than half the page.
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