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In Reply to: RE: What an astonishingly insightful (and iconoclastic) assessment of some formerly revered designs.... posted by tube wrangler on March 21, 2017 at 19:25:14
I remember hearing them in my "youth" and wondering what all of the fuss was about.
It was the looks of the thing that gets them. It is pretty. It has a meter on its faceplate! It was mono which was exotic for the time. There weren't too many of them made.
I remember looking at the schematic and thinking "there is lots going on here". Bill Johnson must have been inspired by all of that circuitry!
Anyone who thinks Mr. Fraker is an amplifier salesman should consider how many of those amps he sells in a year. If he was truly an amplifier salesman he would be making something the brayers would want to buy and at a much more affordable price.
I don't know why you bother, Mr. Fraker. So many of these replies remind me of that great observation of those too sure of their own knowledge: don't confuse them with the facts they have already made up their minds.
And they are the finest amplifiers I've ever heard. Easily besting my prior Marantz 8B. Triode mode is particularly astonishing. Voices and instruments have real body and palpability. And the highs are never harsh, yet all the high frequency content is there.
So yes, their legendary status is more than justified.
I was skeptical too until I got my hands on a pair!
It may well be the best you have heard. That is great !!
I just don't know what all you have heard, to make any conclusion, from your post alone.
Let's just say I've been on this hobby since 1985. And I have heard some very fine amplifiers, including very expensive Audio Research and Conrad Johnson tube types.
And I have heard the Marantz 8B which I owned, and the Marantz 2.
The Marantz 9 is the best I've heard to date. When people talk about tube amps having "soft" clipping behavior with benign low order harmonics, they are generalizing. Not all tube amps are like this.
The Dynaco Stereo 70 doesn't clip very symmetrically. It runs out of steam and you know about it.
The Marantz 9 is so well designed you can't hear it clip. Even subjecting it to the loudest whacks of the widest dynamic range recorings (Telarc, etc.).
It comes at a price of course!
'Have personally owned and heard Marantz 8Bs, and owned and heard my own pair of Marantz nines, with the beautiful, uber-rare factory-original rack-mount faceplates.
Was listening to an ALTEC 604 at home, 41 years before you have discovered this Hi Fi hobby in 1985.
Actually I discovered this hobby earlier than 1985, but I was too young to pursue it. It all started with my Dad's stereo system in the early 70s...
I am attaching a picture of my system today.
The Marantz 7C on the carpet is a custom unit which I rebuilt with a Khozmo 48 step remote control attenuator, Arizona "Cactus" PIO caps and schottky diode rectifiers. I alternate it with a 1959 all stock original preamp (gold faceplate).
The speakers are Chartwell 15 ohm LS3/5A's which interface particularly well with the 16 ohm tap of the Marantz 9's...
Cool Vintage system. Thanks for the picture.
As I re-look, I must have owned those M-9-Rs about 1978. I never had them on my Tannoy Monitor Gold 15s. The more I think about it, I had them running on Single and Double KLH 9 ESLs.
Here is a ( bad ) photo of me broadly smiling in 1978, as I was taking home my second pair of KLH 9s. I bought this pair from Bobby Casner, a mailman who lived on Venice Blvd, in Venice, CA . I drove them ( carefully, on back city streets, slowly ) to my place in West L.A. - The same place that Alan Sides used to visit.
Have fun, I sure do. For 2017, its a DIY two stage DC SET JJ 2A3-40 amp, powering ALTEC A7-800s, with 395 pounds of concrete mass - loading per 825 enclosure. 515Bs and 802Ds. No preamp, an attenuator.
Crooner, add about 45 pounds of concrete patio blocks, on TOP of each of those small speakers. It will play WAY more focused in the midrange, and will be the most effective audio tweak you have ever experienced.
I go to Lowes, and a 16.5 pounds patio tile, is only about $1.57, ten cents a pound. At my Wal Mart, $1.37 a piece. TRY three, on each box, I promise you, you will be hooked for life !! That speaker, (all speakers), is rattling around, all over itself !!!
Probably gracing the garage of some collector after having received a megabuck restoration, and, you can be sure, with bumpers. Back then, we knew that the no-bumper look was the coolest.
Not a Speedster. I had a 57 Super Speedster, paid $400 for it with a rusted out floor pan in '67, and no motor. That is one of my ( three ) 1961 356B Super Roadsters. I liked the 1961 model a lot. That in the photo was painted Cadillac Fire Mist metallic Silver, great paint on it.
2000 Chrysler Mini Van..... now a days.
I've owned several. I also preferred the 1961, because most of those were made in Belgium, actually in Liege at D'Ieteren Freres. One of my dearest friends is a native of Liege, and I have seen the old factory during one of my visits. I owned #89333. Or was it #89332? Or does it matter?
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