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In Reply to: RE: Vinyl is back with a vengance. Why not tape? posted by RIQUE on July 24, 2016 at 19:50:42
This was all started by the Tape Project folks, of course, but now there are more than a handful of folks who are producing high quality 15 ips 2 track reel to reel recordings, and several companies manufacturing new RTR tape decks. The focus today is on 15 ips 2 track, which are high quality but not the most accessible experience, and the cost is very high, but to some listeners this is the best sounding playback medium available.
All us po' folk can do is hope they become popular enough that the price comes down. Down right scary right now. The best never comes cheap though I guess.
Unlike vinyl, where releases can be pressed in the thousands, tape is going to be a much lower volume, and much higher touch medium, so I don't think price declines can be really anticipated.
Almost all the commercial RTR tapes -- mostly jazz --I used to buy on Ebay for under 10 bucks are now in the $50-60 range, and up. Same goes for the good (Maxell) used tape. And more and more "safety master" dubs are selling for three figures. (Confession: I've bought a couple that were actually worth it). Same thing goes for the new-production stuff, and with raw tape from the few still-active producers going for increasingly serious money, the bars to newbie entry are pretty steep.
('Course you can still find bargains if you're patient and lucky)
EDIT: Unfortunate about junfortunately, but you can't edit a subject line :-)
Because I cannot, if my life depended on it, sell tapes and reels that are up to 50% lower (though more like 25% lower) priced over Ebay and new retail. And in some cases, could not literally even give it away.
Yet the astronomically priced stuff continues to sell and the belly aching continues. An example: a roll of new ATR Master Tape or PYRAL SM-911 on a metal reels sells for what? Sixty five bucks or so when freight is factored in? New, empty reels on Ebay typically sell for around forty bucks and up. NOS Quantegy 456 (late model, non Ampex/non SSS) also usually goes for about thity bucks a pancake, seventy five on a metal reel.
I cannot sell recent 456....unused.....in a new metal reel...for $45-50. Yet people continue to pay the aforementioned HIGHER prices and then complain about it while my lower priced ones sit unsold.
WTH is wrong with this picture?
Anyone knowledgeable about the subject wouldn't pay you or anyone else $45-50 for a reel of 456 no matter what its supposed provenance. As the long-time poster child for sticky shed -- I've even seen the Quantegy variety fingered for this -- 456 is firmly in the no-buy-at-any-price category for some of us.
I'm aware of that. But it's really beside the point. Just like some people will not buy Maxell, or used, or whatever the case may be. There's always something out there that someone will never touch. But you missed my bigger point. There are plenty of people who will, as evidenced by the fact that I continually see some folks spending MORE for the same tapes. That's the issue I want to focus on, not whether or not you personally have an aversion to brand X tape.
I've seen what you're talking about and chalk it up to sheer happenstance. Ebay is not known for its logic. Never has been. I've seen a 2-track Kind of Blue, which has just 3 of the original 5 tracks, go for $2100. On the other hand, I just bought an Otari MX5050 transport, the most recent version, for $175 and it turned out to be brand new. That's the breaks of the game. No point complaining about it or trying to figure it out.
As has been mentioned, volume is the key - but enough to bring down prices significantly will never come.
Consider that new 10 1/2" tape ON PANCAKES costs in the $40 range, Then put it on a metal flange for another $40. Now pay for the rights to use (if you care). Maybe even try to amortize the cost of your dubbing equipment. And pay for your dubbing time and MAKE A PROFIT??? Believe Yarlung makes every copy to your order in real time!
Chad Chassem (sp?) of Acoustic Sounds indicated that they will begin releasing material on RTR tape - and he has a HUGE catalog to choose from. At an Axpona seminar he mentioned another problem - that the record company's exec's have no experience with tape and don't have a clue of its "worth" or what to charge for rights - especially considering the potential "volume" - maybe reaching into all the way into the hundreds! Whoopie
But the results can be absolutely STUNNING!
I don't listen to my tapes as often as I should - lots of rewinding for what is essentially an LP side of music - but Friday night I put on TP-27, which is the Garcia/Grisman collaboration, and wow! Everyone was tapping their toes, included my 13 year step daughter. Great music is fabulous sound. But......$450 per copy on the Tape Project web site.
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
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