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In Reply to: RE: I think these are exactly what she says they are. posted by Inmate51 on August 05, 2014 at 08:41:21
I'll post her response assuming I get one.
I can think of any number of reasons, legitimate and otherwise, why these tapes exist. For starters, I see no reason why a safety master need be made at the same time as the original. Maybe the original was on tape that's subject to sticky shed syndrome. Maybe the performance was being reissued and the reissuing organization thought it wise to make a dupe (or just wanted one).
I've bid on several "safety masters" (none offered by reel-lady) but not yet won one. Assuming the seller has flawless feedback, there's precious little danger of losing your money. If the tape you buy isn't up to snuff -- for ANY reason -- a threat of negative feedback will get your money back fast. I've bought hundreds of tapes on eBay and NEVER had the slightest problem getting a refund, including shipping costs, for a bummer.
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Several on this post have made some valid points. And the comment on lineage, woulde be impossible to track down or detail out, since it also applies to sometimes many in the industry. When a studio gets a prodiuction dub, the assumption is made its as close as possible to the session parts. Sometimes this is the case, other times its just a copy of a copy of a copy that gets sent.
"and for most of us, the actual lineage of these tapes will probably never be known"
I spent a number of years at studios in the Hollywood area, and have orig session masters, production masters, production dups, and safetly masters. Some at 15 and some at 30. The sound quality does vary widely, but regardless, any of these versions are better than any commercially released format the public would normally have access to.
So while the "safety masters" sold on ebay may not be one or two generations removed from the production master (they are likely further removed from the session master), they are still much better sonics than any other format available to the individual interested in the best possible sound through analog tape.
best
@mcgjohn,
Stereo mix master dubs appeal to me. Would a stereo mix master -- a 2-channel affair just leaving the mastering house, for example -- be considered a session master, production master,...?
Thanks.
Vbr,
Sam
"Dave, individual production masters of original studio label productions were made for most countries around the world. During the 1980s many record companies, particularly in Eastern Europe, disposed of their distribution masters after their being digital archived and these analog masters have ended up in private collections in North America and Europe. Most were on tape stock that was not holding up well with age, so a number of production copies were made from them."
As Megjohn notes above -- see his last paragraph -- these copies are likely far better sounding than "any other format available ...." Which is why they keep getting snatched up at higher bids than I have been able to match to date :-)
But I'm going to keep trying.
It's worth noting that the tape stock used for many of the ones being sold by reel-lady (Emtec 468) is REALLY good tape and not cheap.
The name "safety masters" is used very loosely these days and for most of us, the actual lineage of these tapes will probably never be known.
Frankly, I believe that knowing the exact history of these kinds of tapes can only drive up the price.
If the new owner wants to, it would be good fun to research this stuff after you've bought it.
What is important to me is the sound. If the sound of well known recording is good enough (better than any media), they are worth the money.
If not, than you're just buyin' the braggin rights!
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