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In Reply to: RE: Safety copies of master tapes on ebay posted by Bill Way on August 03, 2014 at 10:24:40
Just like you I've been tempted by a number of these 15ips 1/4" tapes but the price has always kept me from pulling the trigger.
You might question a card carrying fan of The Tape Project how the prices could stop me.
It's all the unanswered questions. None of these tapes that I know of, are coming from folks directly involved with the original recording sessions, studio or record companies. All we know is what's written on the box or reel and that could have been written yesterday.
I've asked a number of times how the folks who are buying these tapes like them and never gotten any answer.
I have heard some tapes that were produced by folks who have tapes like these and are selling copies, and I've never been impressed by the sound (the music has been outstanding).
So, once again, if you are one of the tape fans who loves these tapes, please speak up.
I'm sure that all sellers are not created equal and sharing this kind of info could help others spend significant amounts of cash!
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I would assume that there are copyright holders to the performances on these so-called "safety copies". Conjecture; The record companies involved in producing and mastering the recordings in the first place. EMI, DGG, Decca, Vanguard, RCA, and the rest. When another label wants to produce a record of a Decca recording, for instance, I'd assume that there must be some contractual agreement between the copyright holder and the interested party. Stuff like that.
Even when the digital era first came upon us and some record firms may have been tempted to dump their old tapes, I presume that the copyright laws are still in effect with these copies of tape masters, even when the copyright holder tosses these tapes into the trash. Without some sort of legal device, I'd assume that the "safety copies", if they are in fact genuine, are to be regarded as pirate copies.
Other thoughts; Stories..... are in circulation about the proverbial recording engineer that will, for a nominal fee, go grab a tape master from the vaults and dupe a few copies of it for serious audiophiles willing to pay hard cash... just stories, I'm sure.
Other thoughts 2: agree about the provenance issues. Without some certifiable evidence as to the authenticity of a tape safety copy,.....
Other thoughts 3: even if the "safety copy" is not a genuine dupe of a master, but a copy of something less, there still seems to be issues of piracy without some legal document indicating otherwise.
Just thinking out loud.
Otherwise, a master dupe sure would be a lovely thing to have on hand.
-Steve
"Other thoughts 2: agree about the provenance issues. Without some certifiable evidence as to the authenticity of a tape safety copy,.....
Other thoughts 3: even if the "safety copy" is not a genuine dupe of a master, but a copy of something less, there still seems to be issues of piracy without some legal document indicating otherwise."
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First of all, there's ASCAP and BMI. Secondly, there are agencies such as Harry Fox and Naxos. But seriously, you're making much ado about nothing, with regard to copyright issues. A single copy of a recording isn't even on the radar of the interested parties.
Record companies have other things to think about.
As you correctly pointed out, there is no provenance.
:)
And while we wait for the answer, tell us: how good are those Doc Schmalle tapes?
WW
"A man need merely light the filaments of his receiving set and the world's greatest artists will perform for him." Alfred N. Goldsmith, RCA, 1922
They have the best sound of any media that the general public can hear.
I've never felt more connected to the performers and to the emotion of the music.
I am about the biggest fan of these tapes you could find.
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