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In Reply to: RE: Pioneer CT-93 Compared to Tandberg 3014A posted by kingseiko on January 01, 2012 at 18:24:24
Why would I want to try a 1000ZXL? Its not known for being any better then a Dragon, CR-7A, or ZX-9. Some say it may not even be as good as those. This is the one deck people can't agree that its in Naks top 3. Im not saying it isn't a good deck. Far from it. It beats many other decks out there Im sure. But I do know it DOESN'T beat my Tandberg. People that have heard both Tandberg's and Naks top decks (stock for stock) all agree the Tandberg has the slight edge. Im not talking about ESL Naks either, as that is NOT a stock deck.
So you have not listened to a 1000ZXL yourself before. So how you do know that it doesn't sound better than DRAGON, CR7A as well as 3014A? I have all four of them and I know how all four sound.
Many people have many opinions on sound quality even though their equipment is not worth using even in a bathroom.
And most comments are made without any details on set-up used for listening.
So tell me what equipment and I might be able to tell you why and where you've made the mistake that made you believe any Nakamichi is competible with the TOPL TCD's.
Preamp: Rowland Research Coherence One
Power Amp: Marantz 9
Speaker: B&W Matrix 801 Series 2
Speaker Cables: MIT MH-750
Interconnects: MIT Terminator 2
The above may be considered low-end setup from your golden ears( as well as for a person who claims that he has listen to the best stuffs in the world already )but for my not-so good ears these probably is ok. :O))
But I won't sell my 3014A though.
I have read many comments from other deck owners which have owned or heard both Naks and Tandbergs. Plus I have read a lot of comments from people who have Naks best decks. You get to see similar comments and trends after doing some research from people. The 1000 deck was the one deck people couldn't agree on was Naks best deck. And I mean all versions of the 1000. And its not known for being Naks best deck either. And I aware of the arguement people have in regards to this deck and its sound. Again I talking about trends and common similar comments from many people where I base my opinions. Your comments conflict from what I've heard from many others. Maybe the ZXL wasn't too common I don't know. And yes I have never heard one. But there was a reason it wasn't kept I the lineup for an extended period of time like the Dragon and CR-7A. Maybe I missed it, but based on how many sold and how often I see one for sale- I don't think I will be chasing one down. That said Im am open to doing more research to see if what you say is true. I will get more opinions from Nak owners I know and see what they say.
1000ZXL- "Is it the first, is the impact of statement, is it the best sounding, is it the first leading the way to better sound?
The 1000ZXL is for sure a statement but I don't find it the best sounding out there.
"I can say the 1000zxl is a great deck. But to my ears, it was no better than my Dragon or the ZX-9. I preferred the 1000zxl to the CR7. It compared quite similar to my 680zx. Anyway, sold my 1000zxl last year. It was way too big in my studio."- Jazzjene
Nak is being making decks for ever even for others before they starded their on. Dragon started in 1980, and got better updates in 86. Before I had the Dragons I asked Jeff at ESL that I wanted the best Deck ever, I had the money aside to get the best, and he said what do you have in mind, and I said the 1000 ZXL, and he said why would you do that, and I said is the top of the the Nak decks, and he said is not, it is one of the best but is not, and I said well which is the best and he said the Dragon seems to be the best if done right, and I ask why, and he said newer technology, has the best azimuth in the world and can record like no other. You see some people will say the ZX-9 is the best recorder, some will say the CR-7A is the best, and some will say the 1000ZXL, and all I can say that a Dragon well done it is hard to beat having the ZX-9 and CR-7A. The Dragon was the deck that sold the best and the longest, it was embrace by the audiophile industry although it was never consider and audiophile piece, no cassette ever was. Your Tamberg is a great deck just as good as the Dragon. When you talked about the best is always the Tandberg and the Dragon and the 1000ZXL. I can get a BX300 and make sound great in my system, is the better decks that gives the edge with micro nuances, extesion detail that you can't hear with lesser decks. Again comes down to your speakres, amps. pre amps, CD Player, Turntable, cables to squeeze the most out of it. Don't worry so much what is the best, keep your Tanberg, buy a Dragon, own only 2 and make your system better and enjoy. Forget what others claim as deck sound is system dependent to hear the best.
And yet more comments:
"As I've said many times, for me, the Dragon is the far superior deck. It is the most musical sounding cassette deck I've heard and I've heard Tandbergs as well.
Of course, I can only speak for my set of ears. But my ears have made a nice living for me and I've been involved with music since I was 2 years old. -Jazzjene"
"Rather than define 'the best" I choose to argue that Nakamichi made different decks for different applications and different customers. We benefit because we can choose the best fit. Both ZXL decks and the Limited are extrordinary. These are cassette decks that perform as well as a Revox A77 at 7 1/2 ips, including headroom! Bass is flat down to 6 or 8 Hz. I've measured treble flat to 27kHz at -10dB. The ZXL decks are designed to be "auto everything" much like the CR7, but adapt to odd tape formulations (BASF, FeCr) effortlessly. They will record flat with both SA and SA-X rather than forcing a choice.
Frankly I'm happy with any classic mechanism whether it is DD or belt, or a hybrid. While the BX 300/ MR1 and CR7 are capable of excellent performance, Nakamichi intended these decks to be second tier to the Dragon and ZXL decks. If lowest possible flutter is your #1 priority, choose a classic. Each of the mechanical variations has its own distinctive flutter, but for 99.5% of us we may measure the differences but cannot hear them.
Are the ZXL decks "worth it"? Everyone I've communicated with says "yes". I think the sound improvements verge on subjective feelings rather than easy to identify performance shortcommings.- Nacdoc"
"I spoke to a couple of real Nak technicians about it, and they all agreed that this was THE one to have. The best of the best, as far as they were concerned. -Bigerik"
"I've never had my hands on one of these (I'd love to, but I'd have to find a screaming deal on one to consider it). But I seem to recall NakDoc saying one time that this was the best sounding machine that he's ever come across. -Goldear"
So as I said before- no one can agree on this perticular deck. I get more nods for the Dragon though then the 1000ZXL.
when the DBX 122 Type 2 Noise Reduction unit is added on the chain. I have the old trusty Tandberg TCD 440 A that I've compared to other Naks such as the ZX-9 and my old 680ZX in my ear when the DBX was on the chain that functioned as a noise reducer the sonic quality between the 3 decks were the same. Quiet as a tomb, very open, tight, with wide and deep soundstaging and on top of that the DBX 122 Type 2 Noise Reduction unit upsampled the frequency response to a true 20-20,000Hz coupled with a 120dB signal to noise ratio, instead of the usual 70-80dB.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
Best recordings and playback on tape is made without any kind of double way Noise Reduction.
The 440A is a great deck of the time and the best of Tandberg's Pre-3000 serie cassette deck.
However, the later TCD 3004/3014/3014A/910/911 surpasses it noticable in sound quality.
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