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In Reply to: RE: I'm aware... posted by MaxwellP on May 08, 2021 at 15:51:08
as most here don't know him and those that do say he's a right nice guy.
What I see is folks merely attacking his posts which have come to dominate a few of the boards here, especially Rock and to a lesser extent Cables; boards I visit infrequently.
That said, if Lummy takes a turn and suddenly has stories to share related to Classical or Tube DIY I might be feel differently.
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...but...but...but - those rock forum posts are over a period 5 months - the oldest post there right now is 01/17/21 - barely past new year's day. Many could still feel their hangover by then. Yeah, he posts a lot there - I wouldn't post every day - but the real problem is nobody else is posting there (ironic, isn't it). You could argue he's doggedly keeping it on life support.
Luminator has only 244 posts total (all forums) since 2021-01-01 - many complaining about his "post frequency" have WAY more than that in 2021 so far. Hell the loudest complainers have double! The only difference is Luminator is super concentrated in a dead forum, and therefore his posts are super visible.
If you break it down by rock/cable, he has 214 on rock and 41 on cables in 2021 unless I'm reading it wrong - 24 are in cables right now, but overall it's barely visible because so many others post there - relative to Rock anyway. He has 3 right on top of cables right now (comically unfortunate) but do a browser search and scroll through the highlights, he's barely visible overall - and "Cables" isn't exactly a top forum here I'm sure, I always figured those dudes were (probably) nuts. On a quick scan though, it doesn't appear anyone there is throwing a temper tantrum about it.
In the spirit of "in fairness" those numbers matter here - rock forum is the complaint I understand the least given perspective - take out Rock and Cables isn't that bad at all - frequency wise anyway.
But yeah - if those who complain of frequency are not engaging in personal attacks, that matters too - that IS in fact is the real issue. But the two became co-opted on the deleted mockery thread, where everyone seemed to join in - it was disgusting, and as the Rock forum posts were pointed out in that now-deleted mockery thread, newcomers seemed to be anxious to join in the hatefest. And complaining about frequency aka enthusiasm is a tough case to make at best.
How many are merely 'posts' and how many are new threads?
"he has 214 on rock and 41 on cables in 2021"
Again, how many are merely posts to various threads and how many are new threads?
Heck, over the last 20 years I've posted over 40,000 times. If I had started 40,000 threads over that length of time, someone would have shot me by now!
But Rock is such an anomaly that what you say cannot help but be true - how can he post there without it being a new post? Take Rock out of it, and I doubt anyone would be complaining about "frequency" / enthusiasm. I doubt you would based on "Cables" or even "Speaker" asylum.
If you still want to argue that he "always talks and never listens" and you can do it by the numbers - which you appear to be - then be my guest. That is I suppose a valid argument for an internet board whose community you care about. But really, is that a big issue in your life - some dude on an internet board that always talks and never listens? Hell many of us are married to such people. If that's the biggest complaint I think we all have to live with it. Many of us do! I'm guessing there are a few "personalities" on AA.
If you met Luminator in a bar, far from "shooting him" you'd buy him a beer. You might not get in a word edgewise - but you'd enjoy the interaction. On an internet forum, you can just avoid the interaction entirely my moving on to the next post (well except in Rock cuz there's nobody else there) without the hate some throw his way.
Well, I wouldn't.
And to be fair to Lummy, he's not the first virus to infect Rocky Road. LWR was equally insufferable.
Your posts on this thread have been intelligent, well-written, thought out, and composed.
One of readers' legitimate complaints is that I do not talk about smoking and drinking. I don't do either, and since I have no experience with them, I'm not at liberty to comment.
OTOH, readers like stories, such as (a) being too young at rock concerts, to use the 2-drink minimum tickets on alcohol; (b) my friend/classmate Jane getting grounded, after coming home (she got home after 1:30a, and reeked of second-hand smoke) from the 1988 Testament concert at The Stone; (c) my college roommate not telling or inviting me that he was going to see the Grateful Dead.
Again, would-be posters on Rocky Road were long ago turned off, by the meanness, character assasinations, and personal attacks. So they email me with suggestions (I love these conversations about music, places, and life), and I am the one who writes them. They like to know when you first heard the song, what you were doing, and how/if the song impacted you.
The problem is, since I was the one who wrote the post, that just perpetuates the perception that "Lummy's the only one posting."
The argument that "Lummy dominates" does not hold water. That's a reflection of others self-sabotaging, by not making posts of their own. Everyone is free to post, and contribute. No one's forcing readers to like or dislike the music. Not to single him out, but if jimbill were to make a post, he just has to kick back, and wait for responses, including from the same "silent army," which is in touch, behind the scenes, with me.
The good news is, if anyone buys me a beer, since I do not drink, she will get to drink it!
I know a LOT of people that age still like classic rock - I know some of them - and it gives me hope. I still love metal also - I'm sure it's many "Black Sabbath" fans' least favourite album as it's perhaps too polished for them - but I still love "Technical Ecstasy" - when I listen too long at night I always turn to that to wrap it up.I rarely drink myself - maybe a glass of wine with a good "Film Noir" movie on youtube - but I'm often happier with tea + caffeine. I mention movies because I kind of understand all the posts about music - it's a daily thing, unlike getting a new component (for most of us). When I watch a good Film Noir (Broderick Crawford, Gloria Grahame, Robert Ryan, Ida Lupino, etc) on youtube one of the BEST parts is the comments - often times from people who where there when the film originally played in the movie theatre. That absolutely blows my mind, it's a time travel trip. They often give great insights into the film and it's impact at the time, the actors and their lives at the time, and the era, and how society has changed for better or worse. Some of those comments are well over a decade old of course. They always say something like "hey that was young Johnny Crawford of the Rifleman and also an original Mouseketeer" which always sends me searching for more. I spend half my life on IMDB - never watch an old movie without it. And don't even get me started on 1950's B-movies and drive-inn flics on youtube, the comments are hilarious - again, often from people who were there.
I mention that because that's what the music forums should be - it's kind of a daily thing. I guess I never went to them because I never think I'll enjoy anyone else's music recommendations - music is too personally tied to each our lives - but I should try and get over that perception. But when I search for my overlooked favs, they're never there.
If you did drink, I doubt we'd stop at a beer - because I totally understand your (and other's) love for modern music as well - the sheer amount of new music out there is shocking, I wouldn't live in any other era - and the music is so much better than those who shun it think. The sheer number of even modern music "categories" blows me away - and how honed they are, if you want some Psychedelic Trance one evening (the heavy metal of electro for those unaware), any number of radio stations has you covered - and you know exactly what you'll get, but often all new music. And talk about 3D sound, hate to admit it but I love that - it's actually a big part of the music - very mesmerizing - when speakers don't do what my 11L's do it's easy to lose interest, so I understand your love for your Totems - and why others may find it repetitive and boring. Most days I listen to music 2-3 hours and never hear anything I've heard before. By the 4th hour if there is one, then yeah - back to classic rock, Soma FM "Illinois Street Lounge" or "Secret Agent" - aka Film Noir music. But hell I'll listen to "Funky Hotmix" too - when they do a modern era tribute to a classic it induces powerful time-travel flashbacks, no drugs or alcohol required - like so many remakes of "San Francisco" for example. Listened to a 2-Live crew CD the other day even - now who put that in my collection dammit!
I did a quick search on Rock due to recent events and was surprised nobody ever mentioned my overlooked favs - which kind of reinforces my thought that it might not work for me - BUT if you're ever stuck for something unfound - try [1] "Wireless - No Static" never really liked or disliked Rush or Geddy Lee, but Lee is on this Wireless album (their others suck) and if you've ever wondered if there was a classic rock-like album undiscovered you might like, try that - you can probably preview it on youtube somewhere. Highly intelligent - but still rock. Your Totem's will love it - not a "big" sound but it works [2] "M - The Official Secrets Act" yes the "Pop Muzic" group - totally different experience - shouldn't all music be? Esp for the time period. [3] "Donnie Iris - Back on the Streets" - yes the "Ah Leah" song is on there, but every other song is better - so overlooked as a complete album [4] "The Pixies - C'mon Pilgrim" - the EP - that's a riskier recommendation somewhat akin to [5] "Romeo Void" - EP. See? By now we'd be on our 2nd beer or tea already and you wouldn't have gotten a word in edgewise yet - trust me on that one. You probably also won't think much of these albums - as I say, I really think they're all so tied out our own lives.
You were wise to largely stay out of the fray on this thread - but next time you post, remember the only people truly bothered by it will be the haters - it will drive them insane, and the rest of us will just read it - or not - and move on with our day! I won't even be here to see it probably - haven't been for years, just happened along at the wrong time I guess. Once you're happy with your stereo, what's to post about? Oh yeah - music of course...
Edits: 05/09/21 05/09/21
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