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In Reply to: RE: How can you tell? posted by airtime on May 07, 2021 at 13:18:40
KP
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Wow - you horde of cackling Karens are the most disgusting display I've seen on AA in decades.
Karens are characterized by [1] inserting themselves into situations that have absolutely no impact on them [2] ...due to a greatly exaggerated sense of self-importance [3] and a sense of entitlement that's akin to a screaming 4 year old throwing a temper tantrum in a supermarket combined with [4] a total and utter lack of self awareness - I mean wow, it's almost frightening
You think enthusiastic posters are the problem on audio boards? No, assholes are - but you can't simply skip by posts you don't like - you absolutely have to be Karens - you just can't help yourselves. Complete lack of self awareness.
Y'all should stop masturbating to your stereo gear and get together and relieve each other's tension - then you won't be driven to Karen-ism. Hopefully there's an equal mix of pre and post-ops amongst you so it'll all work out equipment wise. But I'm here to tell you - no matter how many surgeries you have, you'll never be a real woman.
nt
Unfortunately I am taken as of last night.I met a girl by chance in a local go-go, we drank champagne but it tasted just like cherry cola.
Today she called me up an asked me to a dance! I asked her name and in a dark brown voice she said "Lola". Then for some weird reason she spelled it out for me "L-O-L-A", Lola.
She said she knew a club we could go to tonight, with better champagne and electric candle light. I said "Oh Lola" - then jokingly echoed back, "L-O-L-A" Lola.
Really looking forward to tonight - this girl seems special.
Edits: 05/08/21
Dear LTQO,
you are right we should skip these posts but I liken it to blowing your nose. Sometimes you can't help looking in the handkerchief afterwards even when you know you shouldn't. It's not pleasant, but you have to look.
I think the ratio of Luminator criticism compared to the volume of his writings is miniscule. I find the girlfriend pictures and stories rather cynical. It makes me think of the story that the NPR Car Talk guys often refer to of the unpopular boy who needed a pork chop tied around his neck to make the dog play with him. Those girlfriend stories and pictures are the pork-chop around his writings - without them who would read the posts?
13DoW
Hey now there's a reasonable response. But look at those who are following - perhaps to the point of stalking - Luminator's posts - and just can't stop. Many now deleted. It's the same people "criticizing" every time - and that's the nicest characterization of their responses. They simply cannot stop - they add nothing but negativity - and often personal. That's different.
The most recent example - now deleted - one such stalker (whoops, I mean follower) claimed "he wanted to post on rock forum a couple of years ago but was overwhelmed by Luminator posts so had to leave" - what a made up crock of shit. He was doing what stalkers do - researching the stalk-ee and coming up with whatever they could to bolster their case and keep the hate going. In a content rich environment like AA - why in God's name do that? Just move on to another post, there are hundreds of them right in Speaker Asylum alone! Hell you could argue that maybe - just maybe - the content is richer because of Luminator.
I know I know - this is all the moderator's job right? Fair enough, but he won't call them assholes - someone needs to. Want to argue the posts don't belong based on content? Fair enough, but that doesn't characterize the relentless criticisms and personal attacks. Fun natured ribbing - ok, but that's not what's been going on.
To me, these are the differences between true music lovers and (some) audiophiles - yes, you can be both - I'm sure most are - but I have a hard time seeing highly negative people as music lovers - it just doesn't fit.
You're wrong. I did post on Rock Asylum as I stated. And I've never gone on a venomous rant against him like you have against us. Look in the mirror Karen.
If that was indeed you - can't remember which one of "us" (well put) it was - I couldn't quote you exactly because the thread - a thread which someone specifically started "as a new page thread" just to bitch about Luminator - was by then nuked. I didn't say you didn't manage to get in a post on Rock, but you (or whoever it was) claimed you left because Luminator posted too much there. Boo Hoo. Odd reaction as that board is on life support - if you were truly inclined to be into Rock, you should have stayed, and posted positively. You might have even found some common ground with Luminator over music - what a concept.At first I thought the post was by Luminator - thought it was self-effacing and funny. Then noticed no - it was one of his stalkers. Well - let's give it a chance, maybe write it off as a "roast" - but it didn't seem as funny then given the history. The thread degraded quickly - I have no idea how bad it got because it was eventually gone, don't know how many of "us" posted there or how bad it got. But I guess I'm not the only one who thought it was inappropriate - it got nuked.
I'm never posting on one of Luminator's threads again - the question is - are you? Not "us" - I'm sure many "us" won't be able to help themselves - just "you".
Edits: 05/08/21
I started a thread titled "Totem Sky, Part 16" and the content was "I got nothing". It was deleted, I guess, because I mimicked his titles.Trolling, vicious, asshole behavior?
A jab about going on too long?
Edits: 05/09/21
wow! shouldn't 'cackling' be spelled with a 'K' just for symmetry?
I am sure there was more after the first sentence, but meh.
KP
NT
what was so offensive about jimbill's roast.
KP
and complained hence the deletion. It happens ALL the time over in IC and I fear usually by the MOST vocal fools on that Asylum. As I said before, I believe Luminator is the mod. @ Rock hence his prolific posts I believe are trying to "drum up" comments which is fine. They are tedious and to some degree braggadocious... I just think it's funny when people call it out. IF he's NOT the mod. on Rock, who has THAT much time and inclination to post on multiple Asylums...LOL! Lord love him IF that is the case!
Each day, audiophiles email me privately. The most common theme is...well, let me quote one I received yesterday: "Because of the same old AA assholes, I haven't posted in years."
So then he opens up about music, and gives me some suggestions.
Any time I compose a new post, it's been done in consultation with someone else. Most of the time, my writing partner is simply another audiophile. But once in a while, one of my non-audiophile friends (hardly any is male) will be my writing partner. Readers who email me are getting really good, at guessing when my writing partner is a woman.
I don't know how we can measure enthusiasm, but when audiophiles email me about music, enthusiasm is highest for dance music and heavy metal. But again, no one wants to make the post. So he'll have me do it. So I have a little notebook, with those suggestions from other audiophiles. There's just so much popular music, I tend to narrow it down, to 5-year increments.
In all the years I've been on AA, not once have I complained to the moderators. And I have no idea, who is Rocky Road's moderator, if it even has one.
Because I have an audiodharma Cable Cooker, audiophiles like to ship me their wares, to be Cooked. Only about 10% gives me permission, to blog about his cable(s). These are the ones you'll see written up, on Cable Asylum. So if those cables seem to come from the same brands, you know they belong to the same few audiophiles, who have given me permission.
In general, the posts about cables garner the most email feedback/response, especially when they are about a common/popular brand, such as AudioQuest or Kimber.
I don't always read your posts, but I've read through some. You're enthusiastic about this hobby and want to write about it.
I see lots of posts about music or equipment I don't like. I simply don't read it and certainly don't turn critical about someone's choices.
I don't know why people are attacking you. Maybe the frequency of your posts. Whatever...
Your response to the attacks is well written and on target. Good for you. Happy listening.
Go visit Rocky Road. The mods won't do anything about it. That's why I'm attacking. I can't speak for the others.Edit: And to clarify, I really don't have any problem with the Totem Sky, Part N and similar blog posts. I don't read them, and they don't clog up the forum. It's really the Rocky Road thing that pisses me off. Everytime I get the urge to start a topic over there, I take a peek and, yup, it's still lost in the Lummy zone.
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It just doesn't bother me. I personally think Lummy has terrible taste in music and takes us on detailed autobiographical equipment reviews that are painful...but, there are plenty of paid reviewers who I could throw in that group as well. IMHO, if the brother wants to sing, let him sing. Geo frequently posts in the Jazz forum and many times those posts turn me on to new music.
The attacks on Lummy have a peculiarly mean nature ...
as most here don't know him and those that do say he's a right nice guy.
What I see is folks merely attacking his posts which have come to dominate a few of the boards here, especially Rock and to a lesser extent Cables; boards I visit infrequently.
That said, if Lummy takes a turn and suddenly has stories to share related to Classical or Tube DIY I might be feel differently.
...but...but...but - those rock forum posts are over a period 5 months - the oldest post there right now is 01/17/21 - barely past new year's day. Many could still feel their hangover by then. Yeah, he posts a lot there - I wouldn't post every day - but the real problem is nobody else is posting there (ironic, isn't it). You could argue he's doggedly keeping it on life support.
Luminator has only 244 posts total (all forums) since 2021-01-01 - many complaining about his "post frequency" have WAY more than that in 2021 so far. Hell the loudest complainers have double! The only difference is Luminator is super concentrated in a dead forum, and therefore his posts are super visible.
If you break it down by rock/cable, he has 214 on rock and 41 on cables in 2021 unless I'm reading it wrong - 24 are in cables right now, but overall it's barely visible because so many others post there - relative to Rock anyway. He has 3 right on top of cables right now (comically unfortunate) but do a browser search and scroll through the highlights, he's barely visible overall - and "Cables" isn't exactly a top forum here I'm sure, I always figured those dudes were (probably) nuts. On a quick scan though, it doesn't appear anyone there is throwing a temper tantrum about it.
In the spirit of "in fairness" those numbers matter here - rock forum is the complaint I understand the least given perspective - take out Rock and Cables isn't that bad at all - frequency wise anyway.
But yeah - if those who complain of frequency are not engaging in personal attacks, that matters too - that IS in fact is the real issue. But the two became co-opted on the deleted mockery thread, where everyone seemed to join in - it was disgusting, and as the Rock forum posts were pointed out in that now-deleted mockery thread, newcomers seemed to be anxious to join in the hatefest. And complaining about frequency aka enthusiasm is a tough case to make at best.
How many are merely 'posts' and how many are new threads?
"he has 214 on rock and 41 on cables in 2021"
Again, how many are merely posts to various threads and how many are new threads?
Heck, over the last 20 years I've posted over 40,000 times. If I had started 40,000 threads over that length of time, someone would have shot me by now!
But Rock is such an anomaly that what you say cannot help but be true - how can he post there without it being a new post? Take Rock out of it, and I doubt anyone would be complaining about "frequency" / enthusiasm. I doubt you would based on "Cables" or even "Speaker" asylum.
If you still want to argue that he "always talks and never listens" and you can do it by the numbers - which you appear to be - then be my guest. That is I suppose a valid argument for an internet board whose community you care about. But really, is that a big issue in your life - some dude on an internet board that always talks and never listens? Hell many of us are married to such people. If that's the biggest complaint I think we all have to live with it. Many of us do! I'm guessing there are a few "personalities" on AA.
If you met Luminator in a bar, far from "shooting him" you'd buy him a beer. You might not get in a word edgewise - but you'd enjoy the interaction. On an internet forum, you can just avoid the interaction entirely my moving on to the next post (well except in Rock cuz there's nobody else there) without the hate some throw his way.
Well, I wouldn't.
And to be fair to Lummy, he's not the first virus to infect Rocky Road. LWR was equally insufferable.
Your posts on this thread have been intelligent, well-written, thought out, and composed.
One of readers' legitimate complaints is that I do not talk about smoking and drinking. I don't do either, and since I have no experience with them, I'm not at liberty to comment.
OTOH, readers like stories, such as (a) being too young at rock concerts, to use the 2-drink minimum tickets on alcohol; (b) my friend/classmate Jane getting grounded, after coming home (she got home after 1:30a, and reeked of second-hand smoke) from the 1988 Testament concert at The Stone; (c) my college roommate not telling or inviting me that he was going to see the Grateful Dead.
Again, would-be posters on Rocky Road were long ago turned off, by the meanness, character assasinations, and personal attacks. So they email me with suggestions (I love these conversations about music, places, and life), and I am the one who writes them. They like to know when you first heard the song, what you were doing, and how/if the song impacted you.
The problem is, since I was the one who wrote the post, that just perpetuates the perception that "Lummy's the only one posting."
The argument that "Lummy dominates" does not hold water. That's a reflection of others self-sabotaging, by not making posts of their own. Everyone is free to post, and contribute. No one's forcing readers to like or dislike the music. Not to single him out, but if jimbill were to make a post, he just has to kick back, and wait for responses, including from the same "silent army," which is in touch, behind the scenes, with me.
The good news is, if anyone buys me a beer, since I do not drink, she will get to drink it!
I know a LOT of people that age still like classic rock - I know some of them - and it gives me hope. I still love metal also - I'm sure it's many "Black Sabbath" fans' least favourite album as it's perhaps too polished for them - but I still love "Technical Ecstasy" - when I listen too long at night I always turn to that to wrap it up.I rarely drink myself - maybe a glass of wine with a good "Film Noir" movie on youtube - but I'm often happier with tea + caffeine. I mention movies because I kind of understand all the posts about music - it's a daily thing, unlike getting a new component (for most of us). When I watch a good Film Noir (Broderick Crawford, Gloria Grahame, Robert Ryan, Ida Lupino, etc) on youtube one of the BEST parts is the comments - often times from people who where there when the film originally played in the movie theatre. That absolutely blows my mind, it's a time travel trip. They often give great insights into the film and it's impact at the time, the actors and their lives at the time, and the era, and how society has changed for better or worse. Some of those comments are well over a decade old of course. They always say something like "hey that was young Johnny Crawford of the Rifleman and also an original Mouseketeer" which always sends me searching for more. I spend half my life on IMDB - never watch an old movie without it. And don't even get me started on 1950's B-movies and drive-inn flics on youtube, the comments are hilarious - again, often from people who were there.
I mention that because that's what the music forums should be - it's kind of a daily thing. I guess I never went to them because I never think I'll enjoy anyone else's music recommendations - music is too personally tied to each our lives - but I should try and get over that perception. But when I search for my overlooked favs, they're never there.
If you did drink, I doubt we'd stop at a beer - because I totally understand your (and other's) love for modern music as well - the sheer amount of new music out there is shocking, I wouldn't live in any other era - and the music is so much better than those who shun it think. The sheer number of even modern music "categories" blows me away - and how honed they are, if you want some Psychedelic Trance one evening (the heavy metal of electro for those unaware), any number of radio stations has you covered - and you know exactly what you'll get, but often all new music. And talk about 3D sound, hate to admit it but I love that - it's actually a big part of the music - very mesmerizing - when speakers don't do what my 11L's do it's easy to lose interest, so I understand your love for your Totems - and why others may find it repetitive and boring. Most days I listen to music 2-3 hours and never hear anything I've heard before. By the 4th hour if there is one, then yeah - back to classic rock, Soma FM "Illinois Street Lounge" or "Secret Agent" - aka Film Noir music. But hell I'll listen to "Funky Hotmix" too - when they do a modern era tribute to a classic it induces powerful time-travel flashbacks, no drugs or alcohol required - like so many remakes of "San Francisco" for example. Listened to a 2-Live crew CD the other day even - now who put that in my collection dammit!
I did a quick search on Rock due to recent events and was surprised nobody ever mentioned my overlooked favs - which kind of reinforces my thought that it might not work for me - BUT if you're ever stuck for something unfound - try [1] "Wireless - No Static" never really liked or disliked Rush or Geddy Lee, but Lee is on this Wireless album (their others suck) and if you've ever wondered if there was a classic rock-like album undiscovered you might like, try that - you can probably preview it on youtube somewhere. Highly intelligent - but still rock. Your Totem's will love it - not a "big" sound but it works [2] "M - The Official Secrets Act" yes the "Pop Muzic" group - totally different experience - shouldn't all music be? Esp for the time period. [3] "Donnie Iris - Back on the Streets" - yes the "Ah Leah" song is on there, but every other song is better - so overlooked as a complete album [4] "The Pixies - C'mon Pilgrim" - the EP - that's a riskier recommendation somewhat akin to [5] "Romeo Void" - EP. See? By now we'd be on our 2nd beer or tea already and you wouldn't have gotten a word in edgewise yet - trust me on that one. You probably also won't think much of these albums - as I say, I really think they're all so tied out our own lives.
You were wise to largely stay out of the fray on this thread - but next time you post, remember the only people truly bothered by it will be the haters - it will drive them insane, and the rest of us will just read it - or not - and move on with our day! I won't even be here to see it probably - haven't been for years, just happened along at the wrong time I guess. Once you're happy with your stereo, what's to post about? Oh yeah - music of course...
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I think he just found a way to publish and preserve his memoirs for free
pretty clever actually
regards,
Yeah, and then you woke up.
(yes, it's a lame joke, but it's on the same maturity level as your posts)
Please find a blog site.
'because of the same old AA assholes'
ah! the triple A club!
well that leaves me out
mostly
LOL you seem to have a great fondness for alliteration. In reality, the AAA's are the exception to the rule overall these days - think of the computer audio asylum 15 years ago, damn that place was crazy. I just hooked up my Windows 7 (yeah you read that right) pc with my circa 1990's(?) Blue Circle Thingee and Foobar circa 2001(?) a couple days ago to rip CD's with vlevel to get top quality audio while simultaneously destroying dynamics - I should post there now just to get shredded for old time's sake. God the stuff you find in your closet.I took one look in Cable Asylum once and saw the "DBT Free" zone warning and thought yup - where's the damn exit, I can just see the DBT "discussions" now. I feel free to call BS because I almost never post here any more - so can't be tagged for abuse. I've been totally happy with my system for at least 5 years now - will probably never change a thing. Pull the ESL-57's out of the closet now and then for old time's sake. One day will buy complete set of Quad II mono's with matching pre - just cuz.
Hmmm, I wonder - perhaps I should start a series of Quad posts - yeah - look for "Quad ESL/11L2 - Part 1 of 100" starting soon! I'm so in love with my 11L2's I could easily do so, only wish it happened decades ago. I'll cross post on Speakers and Planar just to really, really piss people off.
Edits: 05/07/21
'just to really, really piss people off'
that's the spirit! this place was down to only two trolls!
didja hear that 51 and GK?
you might be getting company!
Lord love you!
It's just that they're spread out, not really concentrated in one area. Plenty claim to be in Europe. I have no way of verifying or disproving that, but they do mention their local popularity of heavy metal music. And another cool thing is that, when some open up, they'll tell you a little about their stereo gear, many of which brands are new to me.
I say this frequently, but the spirit of a music forum is for more music, not less. No one's forcing the reader to like or not like an act or its material.
It's just a sad reflection, that the few bad apples have "poisoned the well," and scared off would-be posters. One of my audiophile friends, who occasionally sends a cable or two, wrote, "I long ago got sick and tired of the same old assholes, who don't contribute anything positive, and then engage in personal attacks, and mock or denigrate my tastes." Thus, this friend hasn't made any posts on AA, in years.
The thing is, he'll have me write about a song or artist or product. Then he sees those bad apples completely ignore the information, insights, and details, and go into character defamation. That only further solidifies my friend's belief that not posting was the right thing to do. But because my friend did not post, our community loses out.
Because I wrote up the new post, the bad apples jump all over that, and launch their "Lummy posts too much" screed. My friend wrote, "Yet, when I click on the bad apples' monikers, they have way more posts than you."
Again, when audiophiles talk to me about popular music, they seem genuinely enthusiastic about the genres of synthpop and hard rock.
As far as the Totem Sky goes, this has been, as far as the feedback I've received, the most popular non-cable item I've reviewed. Most readers have been thanking me for providing details, comparisons, analogies, contexts, histories, and angles, the "professional" magazines never do. It's the sort of information which determined that the Sky is NOT, at this moment, for these readers. So far, just a handful has been seriously in the market for the Sky, but each had no reservation or hesitation, about reaching out to me, for advice, clarification, caveats, and more examples.
Recently, an Inmate did a search for a powercord, and came across some of my writings. He emailed, "Wow, you pack in a LOT of detail. But it's an easy read. And you make it human and fun."
Years from now, an audiophile will be in the market for the Totem Sky. Hopefully, he looks past the ignorance and one-way hatred, and gets to the core information. I'll still be around, to answer questions. This particular pair of Sky belongs to one of my audiophile friends, who is renovating his house, to accommodate his elderly father, plus his adult son and daughter-in-law. This Sky had been through other audiophiles' hands as well. Those guys didn't really say much about it. They only smiled, and told me to check it out. IMO, the Sky is not about or for large groups or parties. Neither is it for the solo audiophile, who closes his eyes, locks his head in a vice, and concentrates. The Sky is more for 2 or 3 of you, having fun, seeing where the music and conversations lead you...
Who knows? If I were the bad apple, listening to the Sky might make my jealousy, animosity, and even insecurity dissipate. We're going to be sad, to pack up the Sky, and see it go...
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