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In Reply to: RE: I heard the small Giyas before and they didn't seem bright posted by RGA on March 12, 2021 at 17:22:53
I swear Vivid must have hired a B&W engineer if they too are touting the same ole Tube Tapering.
Vivid was founded by the man who designed B&W's Nautilus, Lawrence Dickie.
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I am happy to know I was pretty close. So the designer of Nautilus which is used on all speakers with an N at B&W founded Vivid and also use Nautilus.
So why did people jump on my initial comparison of the two brands? Tube tapering, Nautilus tweeters, snail shape looks.
There is a company called Fyne - I went and listened to them and I said - gee these sound a lot like Tannoy. Umm, they do. And the same story - an engineer at Tannoy leaves Tannoy and forms a new company called Fyne. I don't think this is a huge stretch.
Perhaps my comparison isn't too bad since I sort of linked the sound of the Nautilus designer at B&W to the Nautilus design at Vivid. I mean Nautilus may just have a sonic envelope that I happened to subconsciously notice. It may have been the look of the snail shape as well but I have seen several of those made in China copies over the years as well. Same/similar technology would logically create same/similar sound.
As I already explained, the two brands are voiced differently.
Post-Dickie, B&W has gone in a bit of a different direction. Even though they still use some of his ideas, they've gone in the direction of rising tweeter response ever since they introduced the diamond tweeter models. And in some models, like the 802 and 805, they've given them a little bass boost as well.
I agree with you that it's the sound that counts, and the technology is a means to an end.
When I heard the Giyas, they didn't sound like recent B&Ws to me. They sounded more like TAD. Or Magico with a little more bottom end and wider soundstage.
I am not really referring to recent B&W - I am referring mainly to 90s and 2000s B&W - I didn't care for them. The only post 2017 model I have heard at any length in a fair room is the 805. Your explanation perhaps help me understand why I disliked it so much more than I remember.
For me the Giya was brighter than TAD and Magico.
When I heard the Giyas, they didn't sound like recent B&Ws to me. They sounded more like TAD. Or Magico with a little more bottom end and wider soundstage.
Agreed and a bit more treble, too, but not much.
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