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In Reply to: RE: Probably the vast majority of multi-way speakers ever made . . . posted by Brian H P on March 12, 2021 at 11:59:58
"And yet, lots of people love and enjoy their imperfect speakers. With proper toe-in toward the listening sweet spot, good distance from reflective side walls, and maybe some absorbtive/diffusive treatment on those walls, the hole in the off-axis response is not notable enough to be bothersome. Perfectionists like you and me will hear it, but most people won't."
Exactly how I have managed the issue, which is certainly noticeable before making some of the adjustments you have indicated. But my listening area is fairly modest. I sit/listen more or less in the same spot, so arranging the speakers to get pretty good imaging hasn't been difficult.
And bottom line, they are very enjoyable speakers to listen to. They mate beautifully with my big McIntosh amp, and pretty much everything sounds good whether soft or on the fairly rare occasions that I want to turn it up to levels that I normally won't listen at.
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But my listening area is fairly modest. I sit/listen more or less in the same spot, so arranging the speakers to get pretty good imaging hasn't been difficult.
That doesn't address the challenge. It's not about providing a wider sweet spot. What I hear is a weird frequency dependent stage width sitting equally between the two speakers.
An hourglass shaped perspective. Not what you hear in the real world.
Responding to your deleted post, enjoy your shiny new toy. AB with your ARs and I think you'll better appreciate the odd presentation.
You're right. I can't hear what you're referring to.
I have done some comparing, and for now I'm listening to the JBL's a lot more then the 3's, which is surprising to me given what a huge AR enthusiast I've been over the years. I still love them, but the JBL's aren't as brash or difficult to listen to as I fully expected them to be. I still chalk it up to what's going into them...perhaps a lesser amp might deliver a sound that was more grating. I don't know.
perhaps a lesser amp might deliver a sound that was more grating. I don't know.has nothing to do with the amplifier.
And what I hear is not *grating* - just unnatural in its presentation. Some instruments are rendered like fun mirrors.
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I'm not suggesting that what you're referring to is a grating sound. I was talking about what OTHER issues OTHER folks have had with these speakers, one of them being the overly bright tweeter. I was suggesting that a decent amp might be helping with the overall quality that I'm getting into my ears.
I understand what you hear, even though I can't hear it. Or maybe I can hear it, but don't realize it. That picture is fun, and I'll give you that I have never seen or heard anybody describe what they hear using that comparison. It bears no recognizable resemblance whatsoever to what I am hearing, but it's fun nonetheless.
In any event, time to move on. Appreciate your input.
I was talking about what OTHER issues OTHER folks have had with these speakers, one of them being the overly bright tweeter.
Many JBLs like the 4311 do exhibit the boom-sizzle "West Coast" sound but I find the brightness has to do with the lower treble. Other models like the L110 are quite neutral in response if not possessing the directivity challenge.
Enjoy the ride!
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