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In Reply to: RE: ML's posted by jimbill on June 29, 2020 at 11:03:22
The ML 13As are great speakers but sadly they don't suit my odd listening room.
I listened at showrooms and was very impressed - enough to place an order, confident they'd be a significant upgrade from my old Avantgarde horn speakers. What I hadn't realised is that MLs project half their sound backwards from the rear of the speakers - panel and bass section. My speakers are placed 12 ft and 15 ft from the wall behind them and this is not a parallel / reflective wall so effectively none of this sound is salvaged or taken advantage of in my room.
We tried adjusting toe-in and tilt (I don't know why this speaker slopes back 5 degrees while it's big brother stands upright) and we ran PBK a couple of times, but again PBK had difficulty in my semi-circular room. It made some improvement, but in the end we decided the old AGs with their very directional horns coped much better in my room.
The MLs do have crystal clear top end and plenty of bass for me without a subwoofer, but overall they suffered from my unhelpful room!
I've since changed the AG Unos for Duos, so the MLs are for sale after only a few hours use - enough to settle in, and evaluate. Now waiting for a buyer with a more conventional listening room.
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My speakers are placed 12 ft and 15 ft from the wall behind them and this is not a parallel / reflective wall so effectively none of this sound is salvaged or taken advantage of in my room.
Actually, I use room thirds as a starting point for distance to front wall with dipoles to minimize room modes. 15' makes sense in your vast space. I think the real challenge is using comparatively small M-Ls in your 1600 sq ft room (mine is about a fourth that with an 8' distance to front wall).
Now a double pair of SL 922s or 945s might work exceptionally well. ;)
at one of the THE SHOW Newports there was a big pair that dwarfed the listeners. i expected hugely bloated image size and i was soundly mistaken. a solo guitar sounded exactly right tonally and size-wise.
i have wished for the As since i heard them at Sound Center in Woodland Hills CA somewhere about the mid to late 80sdriven by Audire amplification. they were colorless. these were halcyon days of the Infinity ServoStatiks, Dahlquist DQ-10s, Audio Pulse analog delay processor, etc.
great days.
...regards...tr
Audio Matiere amps, and that system was the closest I have ever heard of the performers being in the room with you. My friend is now selling everything, because he moved to the Phillipines.
Could I use them for my laptop?
I think there's a kit so you can use them as headphones
As a single driver design, they sound the same at any point on the diaphragm whether in front or behind them.
No distance required for driver blending.
Those things are HUGE!!!
I suspect lifelike sound. Wow!
"Man, that mouse is Awesome." - Kaemon (referring to Jerry, of Tom and Jerry fame)
The 922 moniker represents height in feet and radiation angle in degrees. With controlled directivity, they are intended to be used in arrays.
The consumer models use 45 or 90 degree panels in heights from 5-9 feet.
Was that actually a useable speaker?
"Man, that mouse is Awesome." - Kaemon (referring to Jerry, of Tom and Jerry fame)
Sure. They were used for sound reinforcement in a hall in Utah. Stacking required for balcony as vertical dispersion is limited to panel height.
For several years, Ray Kimber used five pair at RMAF to demo his four channel Iso-Mike recordings. Triples in front with doubles in rear driven by eight Pass Labs 350s.
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"Man, that mouse is Awesome." - Kaemon (referring to Jerry, of Tom and Jerry fame)
> Actually, I use room thirds as a starting point for distance to front wall with dipoles to minimize room modes. 15' makes sense in your vast space. I think the real challenge is using comparatively small M-Ls in your 1600 sq ft room (mine is about a fourth that with an 8' distance to front wall).
My room is about 975 sq ft with low ceilings - see sketch. With 12-15 ft behind the speakers and nothing to reflect the rear-projected sound from, the MLs are simple not suitable. Increasing panel size would encounter the same problem - half the output is effectively wasted.
> Now a double pair of SL 922s or 945s might work exceptionally well. ;)
Not bloody likely! I baulked at Quad 2905s in my room (though they sounded better than the MLs), as barn doors in the middle of my room hardly add to the interior design. Peter
PS - Can't seem to be able to attach a Word or pdf document - any ideas?
a lot of screen shots because of these limitations.
My room is about 975 sq ft with low ceilings - see sketch.
I referenced what is found in your system details:
" Room Size (LxWxH): 31 x 48 x 7 ft 8 ins "
Mine is about 400 sq ft. Since it is a dedicated listening space, I don't worry about interior design in that respect. :)
PS - Can't seem to be able to attach a Word or pdf document - any ideas?
You need to reference a website link where the document can be found. My email provider gives me space to put such stuff.
Click here for an example of an attached document or drawing. Note the directed URL.
Unfortunately, house renovations are draining the bank account.
I got to hear the 15's recently and was blown away by them.
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