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In Reply to: RE: Harbeth Owners: Which Speaker Cables? posted by Joe Backer on June 25, 2017 at 20:23:19
What kind of wire is inside Harbeth speakers ? I think I read somewhere that their signature up rated versions use instead of regular zip cord -lo and behold an "OFC zip cord"
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I did mention this below. But again, people seem to ignore the fact that inside that speaker each driver has about 60 feet of cheap commercial grade 28 gauge wire inside side them. So your $1000 speaker cable is terminating into about $10 and 120 feet of copper spooled wire.
"...inside that speaker each driver has about 60 feet of cheap commercial grade 28 gauge wire inside side them."
To be fair that depends on the speaker manufacturer.
I originally wired my own speakers (GR Research LS-9 hybrid cone/planar array) all the way from the individual speaker terminals to the amplifiers with a solid-core wire in a plastic sheath. This was not "el cheapo" wire, but to me (and a couple of audio buddies) the sound had a sort of "whang" quality.
I replaced this wire with a stranded Marigo wire with a cotton (?) sheath and my system sounded much, much better. Then I tried to make the system look better by running the wire through a black graphite fiber tube. Bad idea: the magic was gone and was not restored until I removed the sheath.
The wire "shouldn't" have made a difference, but to my ears (and the ears of several others) it did.
Or are you?
It's a coil of copper wire around a magnet. How does your traditional speaker work?
Let me find the article I wrote about 36 years ago. I'll post it when I have time.
In the meantime, it might be copper, or it might be aluminum. In either case, it's purpose is quite different than the cable which delivers the signal to the motor.
:)
The point I AM trying to bring out is a system is a sum of ALL it's parts. We don't want to believe it but some of those parts are very inexpensive and not interchangeable.Like the hundreds of resistors, SMDs, transistors, capacitors, solder joints and ribbon connectors in the signal path. Each one having the potential of causing more effect than any cable.
Point being cables are important. But as with any thing in audio matching is everything.
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NT
How the network formed between the amplifier and speaker crossover might be affected by the higher values of L and C you find in "ordinary" wire?
My speakers are especially sensitive to both.
Personally, I would not be interested in speakers so sensitive to L and C. But it's your money.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
with my sensitivity, not the speakers. Easy to drive loads like Magneplanars benefit from better cabling than zip too in my experience.
So long as you don't care...
....so it really doesn't matter too much.......
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
You would need to experience such system to have a well formed opinion especially with your music interests and choices.
Sadly I'm parting out similar setup (VTL MB750 , Soundlab M1 , ARC CD8 ARC REF 3) which was wired with Kubala Sosna cables. The excess of it is kind of ridicules but if I were in different point in my life than why the heck not?
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Oh I'm sure E-stat can get very fine sound from his system, but he needs to do a lot of tweaking, some of it quite expensive, to get it to do what he wants. I don't have to do that.
The point is, one can get very fine sound with speakers are not very picky about what amplifier drives them or the types and cost of the cables used. Why make trouble for myself? But if you want to worry about such things, go right ahead.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
Actually ,the system doesn't need any special tweaking to sound convincing. I think any decent speaker,competently designed like Harbeth, Paradigm etc will do fine without magic wires and fuses. But you know how it is -better is an enemy of good. I had this $4k piece of Kubala Sosna speaker wire. The price is not shocking anymore . I looked and looked at those thick stranded copper conductors looking exactly like monster car audio cables and thought to myself that the price is a nonsense. Did they make a difference?, sure they did, quite significant. Do I miss them? Not really, I got used to the sound of more mundane cables after a day or two. Now, had I have the luxury to keep the cables because $4k expense would be my weekly lunch budget would I keep them? Absolutely, no question about it.
Regards, W
Similarly, I would not be happy with a set of small boxes for the music system, either. :)
To each his own.
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