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In Reply to: RE: Those darn measurements ! posted by Kingshead on June 24, 2017 at 22:34:05
"And wow, you still haven't asked about the speakers."
Sorry I don't understand what you are asking. I asked people to list speakers that are considered the "most accurate" and you gave me a response plot. Instead of answering the question you want me to ask the question a second time. Is there a reason for that. You need the attention?
And then you get angry that I don't re-ask the question.
As I have now said for a third time - if you want to call ANY stereo a sub satellite system because you bought a subwoofer that is fine by me. I have been at this since 1987 and I've reviewed owned and auditioned a LOT of stereos and owned a nicely rated BA sub in the 1990s and I've never liked systems with subwoofers. The exception is when the subs (two) sit underneath the main speakers - like the Watt/Puppy.
So perhaps I am fine with SubS (plural)/Satellite not Sub(singular)/Satellite.
I am not saying you are wrong - when you say stuff on a forum that someone else is close minded to what you think how so? I am saying what I like and what I don't like in general terms. It's based on all the systems I have heard over the years. If someone presents me a system where there is a sub and it sounds good to me then fine - but it hasn't happened yet. I like em fine for movies and car explosions mind you.
But I have tried SUb Satellite from all sorts of brands over the years from KEF, B&W, Infinity, M&K, Paradigm, ELAC, Martin Logan, Dynaudio, McIntosh (the subs were not McIntosh I don't think), PSB, Pioneer and even with panels like Magnepan 1.7s.
I'm not saying I am right - I am stating that none of them have done it for me. But I will be covering the show in California next month and perhaps someone will set-up a system with one sub that impresses me. I always keep an open mind - it's why I continuously listen to gear that in the past I have not much cared for - in the hopes that the next time it will excite me.
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No. I can't hear everything. Companies are free to contact my editor and request reviews for their speakers and I'm happy to try any subwoofer they wish to send me. If they are supremely confident in their product and that it will impress even perhaps stubborn reviewers then by all means.
I am a bit older school so the subs that I have experience with tend to be the bigger mainstream brands like Paradigm, Velodyne, M&K, B&W, and REL.
I was tempted by a complete M&K surround sound system as I did like their X series sub and their small on wall speakers pack some oomph. But I would pretty much have to recreate the entire room for it. I am still drawn the idea and may go down the path eventually.
You know what you like. I had a M&K sub that I only used for HT.
The Rythmic stomps it and work for music and movies. On rock music the drum kit is in the room.
Didn't you know? Subs are worthless.
Martin
Again, you should run for office.I've owned many subs, not what this is about, it's about "your challenge".
You mention requesting a list of the top five measuring speaks with measurements included and claim "no one responded". I give you measurements and you don't want to know what they are, you dismiss them without any knowledge of what they are, this is the definition of close minded.
No sense beating my head against this thick wall any longer.
Martin
Next time you set out a challenge make sure you make it clear you don't "really" want any responses, you just want to keep on believing your right.
Edits: 06/25/17
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