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I am interested in comments from people who tried both Dunlavy SC-V and first generation Revel Ultima Studio.
I have been wondering for awhile what smaller speaker I could get as My SC-V will not fit the new home I am to move to.
I currently have an option to sell My SC-V for a price that would allow me to by a used pair of Ultima studio in excellent shape.
All comments welcome. Audition is not an option as the speakers are far and, anyway I would need to hear them in the same room with the same electronics for the audition to be significant.
Thanks, Claude Panneton
Very different speakers. I heard and almost bought Dunlavy's. Just too big for my room and no WAF. I have a pair of 1st gen Revel Ultima Studios and have enjoyed them for the past 15 years. Very accurate. Will reveal any change in your system. The speakers are heavy, but manageable. But... 1st order cross overs (Dunlavy's) vs 4th order cross overs.(Revel) D'appolito arrangement of drivers on the Dunlavy with all that surrounding felt for phase alignment vs more traditional tweeter to bass arrangement with rear facing additional tweeter for "depth". Very different speakers... What about a used pair of Vandersteens" Think that might be more what you like?
I have not heard the revels, but owned the SCIII's for almost 20years augmented with two subs. Recently I took a chance and bought a pair of Spatial Audio M3's, the Dunlavy's are now history. The open, live sound I am getting with the Spatial's compared with the Dunlavy's is tremendous. Everything from orchestral music to jazz to ensemble work, rock,you name it, has a presence along with great imaging (which the Dunlavy's did too). Yes, the Dunlavy's had more detail, but as far as hearing the music, for me the M3's win hands down.
Positives are: presence, imaging, room loading impact, easy to drive, compact, lightweight and go, I think, into the mid 30Hz.
I highly recommend auditioning, or if you're like me, buy a pair used and if they're not your cuppa tea, resell. Good luck!
I have heard many Dunlavy's in the past and after owning the Revel F52's and hearing the Studios and Salons. I can tell you the Revels are more accurate. They do disappear if you set them up correctly.
With power they have tremendous accurate bass slam. You can feel it in your gut. I was able to measure the F52's in my room on the long wall (18 x 14 but open to the right by another 11')at +1 @26db using 84db at 1k as a reference. They might not go as low, but what's there is excellent and its an easy speaker to move around compared to the SC-V
I would be tempted to try the IVAs on the long wall and maybe use one of the MiniDSP DiracLive units to eq and extend/smooth the low bass response a bit. This is probably cheaper than adding subs and won't add any phase/level issues. (Adding subs puts you into the loudspeaker design business, like it or not.) I have only heard 1 Dirac install and it was transparent and a huge improvement over no eq.
HI David, I have no idea what device you are talking about...can you direct me to a link ?
Here is a link to the stereo versions with very flexible input/output options.
I have not heard either of them. But there was a glowing review of the Revel speakers in Pro Audio Review (PAR) a few years ago. You can probably find it by just googling. Just fyi.
You might also consider Dynaudio.
Thanks man ! I usually like what I hear from Dynaudio but I am looking for something truly full range here, The Dynaudio s that would fit the bill are out of reach financially...
I think this is the review which I mentioned. I have the paper version around here somewhere...
I have SC-V, IV, and III and SM-1, but have not heard the Revel. I think that if you want the Dunlavy sound and other attributes, just go to a smaller model in the lineup. How large is your new room?
Hi David. THe new room is about 12 x 22 with 8' ceiling
I have an offer from someone who wants my SC-V, he is offering SC-IV/a Plus 2000$ but I do listen to a lot of different types of music and 32 foot Organ I can hear/feel with the SC-V ( flat down to 20 ) IV/a drops out @ 25 Hz, will not do low pedal organ notes and some synths...
Am-I not correct ?
I'm a fan of John Dunlavy designs, owned Duntech Princess for 19 years.
But in my experience in listening to Duntech and DAL speakers I don't believe any of them would work very well in a 12 x 22 x 8 room. They all require wide separation (which they can in-fill nicely when set up properly) but also good distance from sidewalls. So your only option would be placing speakers on the long wall. My Princesses (same size and driver configuration as the SC-IVa) recommended at least 10' listening distance to allow proper convergence of the drivers. So even long wall would be a tight fit. I expect in a room only 12' wide your listening seat would be up against the opposite wall, not the best placement either in my experience.
I've heard Revels a few times but can't comment on any specific model.
"The piano ain't got no wrong notes." Thelonious Monk
Thanks for your comment.
The room would be a dedicated music room and long wall placement has long been my preferred setup anyway. so if there was say 12' between the speakers that would leave 5' to either side wall witch should work fine since Dunlavy recommend very direct toe-in aimed at the listener. AS for the seat, it would be against the opposite wall but that is also what Dunlavy recommends ( with absorbing material behind the listener. His view is that, at such short distance, our brain cannot separate the reflexion from the initial sound and chooses to ignore it...
My concern is with bass extension. I really don't want to give up those organ notes...
The cleanest (flattest) response? The greatest bass impact (loudest, not likely flat)? The deepest extension?
I remember that John typically recommended long wall placement with the listening seat next to the opposite wall. But from reading interviews with him and a couple of personal discussions at CES I know he was a bass range enthusiast (he played acoustic string bass).
But in my experience placing either speakers or the listener's head close to a wall (a corner is worse) brings up the lower bass range. My preference is for accuracy, the flattest response possible. Yours may be different. The most musical and rewarding presentations I've heard from both Duntech and DAL speakers has been in large rooms where NEITHER the speakers or listening seat are close to a wall boundary.
As a point of interest, one of my audio buddies made recordings of the huge outdoor Spreckels Organ locally. When he played that at another friend's home who owned Princess speakers like mine but aided by a pair of 15" Velodyne subs he stated that was the closest playback to original presentation he had heard. Since your option to trade for the SC-IVa might work better overall in your smaller room, you could always add subwoofers for the low end weight to better replicated an organ. Oh yes, that Princess/Velodyne system was in a room about 26' x 20' x 8' and the Duntechs were about 12' apart. Good luck.
"The piano ain't got no wrong notes." Thelonious Monk
Your post reminded me of listening to Magico S7 speakers in their well-designed listening room, where "the listening chair" was several feet from any walls. The OP might consider a Magico model. See them at www.magico.net.
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