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In Reply to: RE: I have heard the big Martin Logan speakers... posted by Cougar on February 18, 2017 at 18:30:31
I had the original Carver Amazing speakers. They were my first set of quality speakers. They had prodigious bass down to 20 Hz, but the midbass was tubby, as I realized after my listening ears got more sophisticated. If they were pulled away from the back wall and there was some kind of damping material on that wall, they could do outstanding imaging.
Unfortunately, the Mylar ribbon for the drivers has a habit of coming loose. Carver told me to use a hair dryer to tighten it. I did that for a while until it didn't work. Finally I had to send the ribbons for repair, then sold the Carvers to someone who was happy to receive them.
For 1500 dollars new in the 1980s,they were a bargain for a ribbon however,my biggest complaint is,they didn't sound like one speaker.You heard the ribbons,then you heard the woofers and they weren't timed right.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
Maybe it has more to do with polar response and less to do with "timing"?
It's quite possible that the problem is level. We can readily hear an SPL level difference of half a dB, and even a quarter of a dB if we're paying attention. Under controlled conditions, we can hear a difference of a tenth of a dB!
If the tweetie is just a tad too hot/loud, it'll stick out.
With regard to the poster's message/comment/situation, the situation can easily be measured with regard to time and level, so the "mystery" can easily be explained.
Sound level changes over distance between planars and omni's. So, maybe we are both right in a way, or we both agree but for slightly different reasons?
With their flat woofers and 2x30" ribbons. I know my Carver Amazing Silvers don't sound like what was described about the original Amazings. I do know that the setup of the Platinums and Silvers is critical to having an awesome sounding speaker or having a crappy sounding speaker.
One thing I have read many time in posts on the forums is that when people knock these Carver Amazings either Platinum or Silvers, they didn't set them up properly per the owners manual. This happened to me at first until I sat down and read the manual carefully and set them up per the manual. Then after was like night and day, I have been happy ever since. You do need to have the correct room size or very close to the correct size to be able to set them up properly
I can't speak for the new Martin Logan's but from what I heard when I did spend hours auditioning them and pushing them, my Carver Amazings Platinum smoked them. The ML were a really good sounding speaker lower volume levels and I was just shocked that for so much money, they were not the speaker I expected. From the one post above about the type of music being played through them proves what I had suspected and heard when I auditioned them. The ML were a great speaker for slow moving music, but when complicated music is run through them, they could handle it at higher volume levels, and not very at that.
So I hope ML finally figured it out.
My Carver Amazing Silver's use Kapton. I have never had my Kapton come loose or buzzed. I will upgrade the caps in the crossover next. These open baffle dipole speakers are easy to repair if anything was to go wrong. Way better than before.
Mine were Kapton, too. I'd forgotten that. Buzzing ribbons were a regularly reported problem with all varieties of the Carvers. Glad you're not having that problemm
on how to fix that buzzing issue/s without taking the Ribbons totally apart. You needed some wing nuts to replace the original nuts and bolts. You had to do one at a time and then slowly loosen them all up and then either stretch the kapton film or something to that affect and then slowly tighten them back up. I don't know if you had to re-glue the film again or what. Sorry, I'm going by memory but seemed pretty easy how they explained it.
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