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In Reply to: RE: What type of music are you listening with these ML speakers? posted by Cougar on February 19, 2017 at 11:56:34
>> The Monolith woofer couldn't keep up with the membrane but I heard they have corrected this...
I've heard Martin Logans off and on for about 30 years now and have always found the bass poorly integrated with the electrostatic drivers. It just doesn't sound right to me.
And, I can't tell you how many times, when I've made the above observation, that I've been assured that "THIS TIME THEY GOT IT RIGHT!" But it still isn't in my book. The lower midrange is so critical for the fundamentals of voice and most instruments -- and that's where the driver transition takes place -- that I'm just not interested if the speaker doesn't get that right, no matter what else it does superbly.
Now, it has probably been 5 years or so since I've heard a set of MLs, so maybe it really is true that this time they've fixed the issue! ;-)
I agree that getting that wrong is a problem. I've never been super excited about ML (and never listened seriously I admit), but I was stunned in a good way by the Sanders 10D.
It has a very small sweet spot in left-to-right positioning, but in that spot it was awesome and flawless to me. For me, best of show at THE Newport 2 years in a row. I judge on diversified classical.
It may be as good as the Apogee Diva I remember hazily from decades ago.
I love the Apogee Divas.Those are very nice speakers as well.Still one of my favorites.
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong" H. L. Mencken
You guys describe what I've always heard with ML speakers. To me, there is a skeletal impression in the midrange. No meat on the bones. Yes, they are very transparent and open, but are better suited to less complicated and dynamic music.
I also confess to not having heard the latest offerings. They may be worlds better. That said, I think Quads are better overall than the ML speakers I have heard. But they won't play nearly loud enough for me.
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
I can play my PK quads at 84-89 db all day I can break into the 90's but never pushed them past 100k
And salesman said the same thing as you. He got a better blend with a separate smaller subwoofer but still....just didn't do it for me. The Martin Logan's looked nice but really didn't impress me at all. When I test drove them they looked so big and I thought the sound stage would be like that also until I heard the music start. I was really surprised at how small that sweet spot was.
My ESS AMT-1D's at the time had a better soundstage and played a lot louder. Actually it took a while for me to find a better speaker than them. I told the salesman how I have been auditioning speakers for two years between S.D. And L.A. Then the salesman that was auditioning the Martin Logan's for me asked me some questions and suggested the Vandersteen 2ce. I liked the 2Ce's, a little laidback for me, but I wanted a bigger soundstage. Then I upgraded to Vandersteen 3A's but they were still a little too laid back for my taste. Then I took a chance on some Carver Amazing Silvers, I had the Vandersteen's and Carver Silver at the same time and preferred the Carver Silvers over the Vandersteens by a lot. I have never looked back.
I finally had a speaker in the Carver Silvers that sound really good on all material and that I could open up when audio friends came over or when having a few drinks. I will never forget one night my brother came over and we put some Tower of Power on. He told me to fire it up so I did. He kept saying how Chester Thompson solo sounds like he was right there in the room but what really got both our attentions were when during the organ solo the horns that are on top on the Leslie for the B3 organ...you could actually here how and what direction the were spinning in when Chester sped them up and slowed them down during the solo. I'm a musician as my brother is, he and I never ever heard that from any LP before or after and only heard that in person with his organ player's Leslie. It was really freaky to heard that from an LP. Just telling what we both heard.
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