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In Reply to: RE: Magico speakers... posted by timothywas1@comcast.net on January 08, 2017 at 09:26:45
always in rooms either too small or too big or...
Also participated in a factory visit to the Magico in Oakland a year or so ago and got to listed to a pair play in their custom designed listening room, which was pretty impressive, but should be, yes?
That said, Mr. Wolf has a bit of a well-earned reputation for being a $^@* (you pick the word here) and will usually not allow ANYTHING to be played on his speakers during a demonstration but music HE picks.
My advice?
If your dealer will allow an in-home demo, go for it. At Magico price points, an in-home demo is NOT an unreasonable request.
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"participated in a factory visit to the Magico in Oakland a year or so ago"
Magico isn't in Oakland. They're in Hayward.
:)
is 'Oakland' to me. ;-)
Then, you haven't been to Berkeley, where I'll be next week.
Berkeley and Oakland are two different worlds.
:)
why are you guys discussing Oakland vs. Berkeley? Laughing...
Now in Hayward but...
It's all East Bay to me. :-)
Maybe closer to 1970 than 1969?
Who remembers the 60's?
Don't go over there much anymore, except for the occasional concert at Zellerbach Hall or something good going on at Berkeley Rep.
Did attend a 'reading' given by a friend of mine at Moe's Books a few years ago.
bud fried was a real stuffed shirt about playing anything that was recognizable or dynamic. usually, he would play some obscure classical piece and stop you from making any kind of selection.
at last the show newport, a local dealer of magneplanars had a RIGID demo where ONLY what he had selected was played. further, that fuhrer conducted a militarized demo schedule. many potential customers left disgruntled.
fortunately, there are multiple magico and magneplanar dealers in LA, not so in many another city.
...regards...tr
For what it's worth Bud hated anything that wasn't classical music, barely recognizing it as worthwhile. I knew him well and I loved Folk music and would take it with me when visiting him. Fortunately we were friends so he tolerated it but I still recall him calling it tinkle music.
But to call what he played non dynamic is totally incorrect. The most dynamic music, meaning contrast and sudden changes in level, occur in classical music, not in any other format. Popular music is loud; it's not dynamic. And Bud was totally aware of that which was why he got into transmission line speakers after a love affair with the original Quad electrostatic.
well, in my brief contact with him, that's what he did. i will admit to his genius (i have a copy of his newsletters) and STILL use my Model RIIs, which i love the sound of.
...regards...tr
As a lover of live classical music Bud had a very good ear for its reproduction, especially the dynamics of it and that made for some very good speakers.
I choose insecure bully for the $^@* part, just to remain on the polite side.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
This guy sounds like King Ass or he's very insecure and hiding something. A person I would avoid. If the OP is dropping this kind of money I would move onto something a little more "buyer friendly". There's plenty of "friendly" great speakers out there for that kind of cash.
If I had a good stereo or speakers I would let-em rip!
especially where all of the music is on computer (with DSP/room correction software, who knows what?). The days of walking room to room with your favorite CD may soon be over.
Had the chance to speak discuss this at length with a 'well known, name brand' speaker designer recently; one who attends all of the shows to show off his gear. It's pretty frustrating when someone walks up and asks to hear their favorite CD and one minute into something REALLY AWFUL begins to play everyone in the room rushes for the door!
So there are two sides to every issue, I guess.
We had the same rule, we never play anything not known to us.....
Regards...
The New Klipsch Forte III $3800 a pair, were one of the best sounding speakers at the 2017 CES and cost much less money than the Magico speakers.
selected variety of CDs? Say some 20-30 that a potential buyer can choose from? That, IMO would
be a valid, acceptable alternative. Even a playlist from a pad.
Choosing the actual song though seems like a really poor selling point.
And if someone can't bear a "bad" tune for a couple minutes, well I guess they are SOL.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
will pick well recorded tracks that are not likely to chase anyone out of the room during a demo.
I think Mr. Wolf has a very controlling personality near to a personality disorder which causes him to want to control ALL aspects of the design and production of his speakers as well as the demonstration of his products.
I would too, if I spent the $$ and effort to put together the speakers and company as he has.
But I'm a bit of a 'dick'. ;-)
Heard 3 Magico systems at the 2015 CES. In all three rooms the sound was outstanding. If I didn't love my Maggies so much and could afford it I wouuld by Magicos
Alan
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