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In Reply to: RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze? posted by rebbi on August 19, 2012 at 20:39:16
Rebbi, please ignore villastrangiato (or fntn as he was known on the parts express board before he got banned). He has NOT heard my speakers. I suspected he was lying, but now I know for sure. At RMAF I didn't have a room, just a single after hours demo done by invite. He certainly was not invited. Obviously he has a chip on his shoulder and doesn't mind flat out lying if that's what it takes to damage my reputation.
There are plenty of people who heard them here:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=99651.20
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=78629.msg1011206#msg1011206
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You've been peddling your wares at RMAF for years now. Claiming it was by invitation only is a joke - particularly for someone like me who has actually booked and stayed in rooms at the hotel on the same floors speakers were demoed in. You clearly don't know me or what I look like but given all of the publicity you've attempted to gain for yourself :
http://www.stereomojo.com/RMAF%202008/RMAF2008.htm
I'm very familiar with both you and your speakers. They are generally a showcase for a particular style of cabinet making as they lack bass and have a limited vertical listening window. In all fairness, I didn't say they were crap speakers. They sound good overall but so do a lot of speakers from PSB, Paradigm, Revel, and B&W. I don't lie and I have no reason to lie particularly in this case. I could have said your speakers sounded lousy and didn't - so much for your "axe to grind". As a matter of fact, I feel the same way towards other speakers like YG and Magico. Dollar for dollar, where small monitors are concerned, I prefer the sound of Jeff Joseph's small monitors as they are typically better balanced with enough clean bass to not need a sub. And Joseph uses his proprietary steep crossover filters to particular advantage - minimizing vertical window problems for one. Given your jump to conclusions, it would appear that the one who truly has an axe to grind is you. Schumacher's infomercial makes him pretty transparent so there's no need to hazard a guess where he's coming from.
After being exposed as someone who lied about hearing the Vapor at RMAF, Villastrangiato then desperately did a web search and luckily found the Stereomojo post of the one other occasion a Cirrus was at the show in 2008. (and Ryan and Vapor were a totally unknown quantity at the time).
So he can now claims to be 'very familiar with both you and your speakers'. You got out of that one eh Villi !
'They are generally a showcase for a particular style of cabinet making as they lack bass and have a limited vertical listening window.'
The above statement shows me your have no experience whatsover with the Cirrus. Villi you are nothing but a troll who is willing to lie and make stuff up.
The problem is Ryan and co are active on forums and engage too much against this sort of people. I have been on audio forums and newsgroups for 10 years, and I have never seen a manufacturer successfully keep back the Villastrangiato's of this world. It is a pointless exercise.
I've been attending shows across North America for more than ten years. This is the first time I've ever been challenged as to whether or not I've actually heard a particular pair of boxes but then, the issue is related to the likes of Peter Schumacher and Ryan Scott - therefore anything goes - including shills creating accounts and logging on to bad mouth anyone who doesn't have anything but glowing praise of Ryan's stuff. Practically everyone who has posted in this thread to support Ryan Scott has less than 20 posts in their history - including Scott and his partner - Peter Schumacher. This thread is fittingly as bizarre as the people behind the "products" it is about.
Rebbi can you explain your last post? That left me very confused.
See my earlier post about "Jane Goodall and the chimpanzees" for the meaning of "monkey poop."
just a quick post to say I did receive my cirrus black today, and in my opinion, hang with anything I heard at the SF audio show a few weeks back. wish I could compare them head to head in my room with the audio note (those were my favorite at the show).
Yes, I got to spend a little time at the CAS and the Audio Note room was my favorite, too.
Congrats on finally getting your Cirrus. What was the total time from placing your order to receiving them? How do they look, any problems?
It's a shame the cabinets for your Tempesta didn't work out, I was looking forward to your comparison
first, I don't want to get involved with all the bickering and drama. everyone knows it takes a long time to get these speakers and mine were no exception. are the speakers cosmetically flawless? no, they are not. do they look nice? yes, they do. do they sound good? yes, phenomenal (and I'm not one to praise something just because I spent my own money on it). there is a reason why everyone who hears these are blown away. they are legit. I'll post some pics later today here or at audiocircle.
the tempesta will be up and running at some point. I'm going back to the the PE cabinets, just thinking about how I want to finish them. I also got a bench top CNC to cut my own baffles, which will take some more time to get up and running. I agree that it will be very interesting having both in the same place with the same gear for easy A/B comparisons.
An update to my Vapor experience... I sold them off pretty quickly due to the very poor build quality. I tried convincing myself I could live with it but every time I looked at them it depressed me that I wasted $4k on such DIY level construction/finishing. They are nice sounding speakers, but with such bad build quality there are far better options out there. On top of that, the buying experience was terrible with all the delays and lies.
Vortrex, sorry to hear about your dealing with Vapor Audio. I didn't have a good experience either and it's a shame that posts are taken down when you want to share those experiences with others. I see that 6moons did post our experiences and I would love to share more of what I know and my experiences with Vapor Audio. In my case, which was 2.5 years ago, they had no problem shipping speakers with cosmetic issues and hiding the issues in photos they had sent me. They knew if I saw the side of the one speaker or the baffle on the other I may have wanted an explanation or resolution at the time.
I'm just hoping that potential customer can see both sides and then determine if that want to make that leap of faith. I was somewhat in the same boat as Csmgolf that posted on Audiocircle about his ongoing experience. I'm sure it will workout in the end for him because Vapor's reputation is seriously on the line.
I still have my Vapor Cirrus speakers and when they were working they sounded great but after only 2.5 years one of the crossovers has issues causing the tweeter to drop in db and distort. It has been narrowed down to a crossover issue after all test have bee done. The speaker works perfecty on the other corssover. It's nice that you can swap crossovers very easily due to the speakon connections and crossovers in the base of the stand. Very easy to get to the crossovers if you wanted to make some changes. The caps measure fine but under a load one of the parts is not cooperating.
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