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I am thinking of adding a sub to my system. I read where these are hard to integrate and your ears always go to where the sub is located.
Are there any satisfied sub users? I mean, do these people that have trouble with them just not know how to use them? Are subs always room dependent? Concider me confused.....
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Setting up subs can be very difficult and two makes the task even more tricky. The biggest problem most people make is having the subs symetrical to the speakers, either just inside or just outside.
Try them all over the room and recalibrate them each time there moved.
Sub integration depends a lot on your system. A little info on your set up could go a long way to answering your question. I have used a number of sub + full range set ups and now use a monitor + 2 sub speaker system. I will offer you this one piece of advise. Whatever sub you decide to go with, seriously look into a Dspeaker Antimode 8033c (1 sub) or 8033s (2 subs). I thiught I had very good bass until I was loaned and then immediatly purchased the 8033s for my system. In 25 yrs of screwing around with subs, this is the BEST sound and EASIEST way to help integrate a sub.
FWIW, I'm not a Dspeaker rep or sales guy. Just a music lover who very reluctantly gave this product a try and was amazed at what it did.
Good Luck
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I will take a lower buck sub with the 8033 versus a higher dollar sub on it's own any day. I just walked over to my sub, residing midway between me and my mains 2 minutes ago to assure that it was working. Sure enough it was transparently pumping away as it should. With the 8033 it was not smearing the low end as you would expect, but providing the bottom octave my mains can't seem to muster. Seriously, do seek out this product if you want audiophile low frequency reproduction at real man prices.
I've wondered how well a pair of monitors and subs do with large orchestrations. The idea is attractive, but can monitors maintain the sense of ease floor standers can with large dynamics. I suppose it depends on the monitor and floor standers. My experience has been with KEF 102.2s and 104.2s.
db
As a supper happy owner I can't help but recommend the brand, but there's some good things to know about subs linked.
Have fun
I have never had any problems integrating a sub into my systems. If you cross over low you will never tell that any sound is coming from the sub. It is actually the attack and overtones of low frequencies that locate where the sound is coming from because the attack and overtones are coming from your main speakers. Also the other responses here are correct in that most people set the output of there subs to high.
Alan
Most people set subs up too loud- and go too small with the sub. The smaller the sub the higher the distortion, and higher distortion leads to localization.
Most "serious" bassheads are using distributed bass, where multiple (they can be smaller accordingly) subs are used spread around the room- this distributes the location of the subs and thus averages out the peaks and valleys caused by room interaction somewhat.
I strongly suggest you consider at least 2 subs- it makes a huge difference. And set them to where they sound right.. then lower the volume and crossover a little bit. Sub-tle is much better than "in your face".
Bass is supposed to sound big. 6.5" is not a woofer size.
I don't think subs are hard to integrate, as long as you don't over do it. With a sub you can easily get too much of a good thing. New users tend to be heavy-handed with the volume control. You might consider an SPL meter like the digital meter from Radio Shack and a test CD with some pink noise on it. This makes balancing the outputs of the mains and sub(s) easier.
Any prospective sub should have a crossover network that cuts frequencies below a certain level to the left and right speakers. It should also have variable phase, frequency cutoff, and volume adjustments. Without these features, it's much more difficult to integrate your sub with the rest of the system. Being able to try a subwoofer in several locations is handy as well.
If you're going to buy a sub, see if your dealer will let you take home a demo unit or if they will offer a money back guarantee if you don't like it. Otherwise, DIY is a good alternative that can get you more bang for the buck. Parts Express has several kits with all you need.
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