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In Reply to: RE: I wouldn't say brash, per se, as much as posted by Stale on March 24, 2012 at 20:06:01
for you to understand that I'm not trying to create the perfect speaker. I'm simply trying to do the best that I can with the funds I can allot.Issues of speakers:
How about not burning out, for one. I have read reviews on this specific amp that said people did such with certain speakers.
The knowledge I previously mentioned came from such sites as Zaph audio and audioheuristics to name a few. Is that satisfactory for you?
As for your asinine comment suggesting that no speaker works well in every environment. I believe that is entirely subjective. You must be completely delusional if you believe that you cannot enjoy speakers without them being specifically tailored to your listening environment. Well, actually, I see that you own a pair of planar's, my own experience with Maggie's does allow me to understand where you might be coming from. They have an extremely narrow operating window, perhaps that's why you are so biased.
I believe I did mention I was doing it for fun, I suppose it may have been too subtle for you, for that I must apologize.
Again, I will reiterate as your reading comprehension seems rather selective: I cannot afford kits that are capable of performing the task with the equipment I have outlined. I also want to use this project as a learning experience. Do you understand now?
More importantly: Do you even build your own speakers? Your profile suggests not, or at least you may have failed in your endeavors. If such is the case, I'm terribly sorry if you have decided to give up on your quest.
" So if all the above in your opinion is not an advice, I can be even clearer:"
Ahh, yes, and here we are. Your so called clarification has not informed me of anything that has not already been stated. Thank, for your input, however, you are late to the party, and as I suggested earlier have been no help to me. Well, that's not entirely true, you have made me realize the extent to which the idiom "a grain of salt" can be stretched.
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"How about not burning out, for one."You can burn almost tweeter with almost any amplifier, and by feeding low enough signal you can damage woofer with much lower wattage than listed. So, first you need to determine intended application...
"The knowledge I previously mentioned came from".
It seems you were not great student."...no speaker works well in every environment. I believe that is entirely subjective." Geez, if you believe that you are completely delusional.
"...delusional if you believe that you cannot enjoy speakers..."
I can enjoy music on portable radio, I can enjoy it on second rate console from 50s etc., hell, I enjoy Victrola, and I can enjoy it in many ways and forms but that does not mean that each way it sounds as good as it could or should."...my own experience with Maggie's..."
LFT-VIIIs are significantly different from Maggies, you have shown your lack of knowledge again. Not to mention that I have vintage AR in a second system, and owned about 15 sets of speakers, and auditioned many many during last 20 years." I cannot afford kits that are capable of performing .." If you can not afford kit you can even less afford to design it on your own, for reasons that I explained before. Actually the cheapest way to accomplish what you want is buying used.
"I also want to..." As others pointed out, having known, relatively good reference that you can tweak is great beginners tool.
"Do you even build your own speakers?"
Based on your attitude and composition, I would say that I had built my own speakers while you were still using diapers, but to be more precise in early 80s using Dynaudio, Vifa, Seas and Kef drivers, winding my own inductors, building my own cabinets... (not only for stereo but even bass bins for my bass guitar). After coming to US, I neither had time nor need to do that, except fixing few speakers, but hopefully when I retire I will be able to play.
"...and as I suggested earlier have been no help to me..."Well, "A small mind is obstinate. A great mind can lead and be led." It seems that you have had made your mind.
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You have completely missed my points, but I applaud your ability to make such spectacularly snide comments as an ESL.
If the culmination of your 20 years of auditions has led to your current audio line-up, then I suggest you may have wasted the majority.
My attitude and "composition" as you put it, has more to do with the tone of your responses than my diaper wearing time-frame.
Lastly, it is difficult to take someone seriously when they've spent so much money on speaker wire and interconnects. It would not surprise me to hear that you've bought stands to hold your speaker wire above the ground. (As those were the new snake oil product when I was a contributor to the forum)
Your responses haven't been completely off-base, however, so perhaps you have redeemed yourself slightly. I had considered purchasing used speakers, but that would negate the enjoyment I could get from building my own, learning as I go.
Perhaps it is simply a matter of an age difference here, as you tried to bring into the discussion with your last comment. I, as a younger man, have different priorities, quality of hearing and lack the bitterness that years of misguided audiophile adherence has caused. This, of course, is merely conjecture and perhaps totally incorrect.
Typicall arogance from a clueless.
My system is now slightly different than posted, I should update it, but tell me what do you find so wrong with it?
"it is difficult to take someone seriously when they've spent so much money on speaker wire and interconnects"
If you look around this board, there are probably more of those who have the exact oposite opinion. I once thought that wire do not make difference (while I was young and "knew" everything) And btw, I bought those when they were much cheaper and with huge dicounts, probably less that what you paid for your Monsters, dont even start me with your power conditiner (and if you do not believe that wire can make difference why bother with Monsters)
"lack the bitterness that years of misguided audiophile adherence has caused"
Of course, as most of your posts and conclusions in this tread, that has nothing to do with reality but it tells a lot about you.
BTW, I could be speaking chinese and that would not make my knowledge any less worthy. And although english is my second language I can uderstand it better than most naturaly born americans. (I can probably even write it better than most americans when I take care).
I apologize, as I've been gone and working on my speaker project to comment on your reply. I don't want to argue, and some of my comments have simply been jabs. I understand the point you are trying to make, but as I said before, I'm not trying to build a technically superior speaker.
I don't actually have an issue with your system, except to say that I do not believe that speaker cable and interconnects make enough of a difference to justify the exorbitant price.
I am building the speaker based on manufacturers specs, and we'll see how it turns out. In the future I will purchase some test equipment, but at this time I'm going with manufacturer numbers and auditory testing.
Hell, I'm not even sure why I'm responding now, except that I feel as thought I've treated you poorly, and I'm not particularly enamored with having done so. Or it could be that I've been drinking and have decided to let it go. *shrugs
"And although english is my second language I can uderstand it better than most naturaly born americans. (I can probably even write it better than most americans when I take care)."
Youse gots that rite!!!
:)
It's no wonder that Americans are looked down upon in Europe. Most of them can more-or-less fluently speak three languages. Many of us here can barely speak one.
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