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Never got an answer to a question on a thread below.
The original poster said he couldn't use Ohm speaker to listen to his "power electronic" music. It would destroy them and tear ESL speakers in half.
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It's not music dependent, but rather recording dependent first, then power dependent next, and gain dependent last.
With the amount of compression in today's pop recordings, nothing will harm speakers apart from clipped signals. The Telarc 1812, if your pickup will track it, is as close as it gets (my Musicmaker III objects a bit, tonearm a touch too heavy), or perhaps other uncompressed symphonic recordings.
Then again, if your speakers are harmed by playing the 1812 with unclipped signal at a reasonable volume, they're junk anyway and unfit for Hi-Fi duty.
The warning is labeled on the case that playing this disc too loud may break speakers. They used real cannons in this recording and I've heard stories where woofers have gotten blown playing this CD/LP.
I just recently bought a copy of the LP, and my cartridge (Shelter 901) wouldn't even track it when I get to the cannon part.
FrankC
Real cannons were also used on the 1812 that is on the Philips CD titled White Nights. This CD, an all digital recording of Russian music/conductor/orchestra, is quite the treasure.
When my JBL L200's belonged to a friend, he told of an instance where the cannon fire hit so hard he could hear the back of the woofer cone slap the basket! Apparently, said JBL's are practically indestructible. Any audio mishap with him or me involved the amp giving it up before the speaker could :)
marc g. - audiophile by day, music lover by night
its like a huge air compressor. more like music though than some things.
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The trouble with doing nothing, is that you can't tell when you are finished.
i never would have submitted my microphones to that noise (and that AINT warbling, waits is closer to that).
how she performed in the bedroom may be what attracted lennon.
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Richard BassNut Greene
"The Floyd R. Turbo of Bingham Farms Michigan"
... and turn off the stereo before I go berserk.
I'll never figure out what John Lennon liked about that woman.
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Richard BassNut Greene
"The Floyd R. Turbo of Bingham Farms Michigan"
Since speaker manufacturers warn you about playing single-frequency test tones and advise you to cut the power way back when doing it, it'd be easy to envision some smartass composing electronic music that amounts to a series of test tones. The unwitting listener cranks up the volume and cooks a voice coil or two.However, I'd hope that the sheer loudness of the music would drive the listener to turn down the volume before driver damage occurred.
Edits: 01/02/09
This recording has no compression, a huge real dynamic range and extended low frequency content.
It will use up all the system headroom without sounding loud.
Try with headphones first.
Download the fireworks recording at the bottom of this page and burn to CD
DO NOT convert it to an mp3, it will kill the sound of it;
http://www.danleysoundlabs.com/technical%20downloads.html
Erika Badu's first album: Baduism has some serious bass and with enough power could easily push woofers beyond their safe excursion. My windows and ceiling vents rattle like crazy whenever I turn her up. Cheaper woofers would be doubling and motor-boating and finally spitting surrounds.
Thanks Tomservo:I downloaded those files and burned a CD and played it on my Walsh 5's driven by Sumo Andromeda II power amps: holy smokes - major infrasonic energy like I've heard only once or twice before. On the Fireworks recordings my PC monitor and items were rattling on my desk like an earthquake. On some of the explosions, the low pressure wave run across my listening room floor and hit me square in the chest! This is definitely a dynamic CD that can fry an amp or a loudspeaker - be careful. I ran my preamp dial at about 11 o'clock, which is the setting where most classical CDs play a concert hall level loudness.
A great CD with extremely dynamic explosions, without any compression, comparable to these wave files, is the Mercury Living Presence CD of Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture and Beethoven's Wellington Victory: replete with canon blasts and sundry gun, rifle and musket discharges - it will blow you out of the room! Oh, and these are great musical performances with verve and stentorian climaxes.
Edits: 01/05/09
Can't wait until I can burn a CD and see just how low my dipole subs go without bottoming (or popping output tubes on my ARC!).
very easily could damage your laptop's spekers! I let it run for about three seconds and immediately noticed that it was complete distortion and at a level which could damage the internal speakers!
Play at your own risk! If anyone was listening to this, or any music, live at such levels consistently, they should assume they will have hearing damage with age, possibly severe impairment of hearing.
I have consistently avoided such events which are the sonic equivalent of doing drugs for the ears. If you want to destroy them keep it up.
ears??
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
I'm trying to embed something below:
This type of music is what I was talking about. I remind you that clip is "mellow" of the genre.
And i have been worried that the square waves and clipping in the music, while not "real" clipping of the amp, would have the same effect on the speakers. One of the loudest and most obnoxiously mastered CD's i own is Propergol - Program Vengeance, and in addition to scaring the hell out of me, i am scared it is damaging my speakers.
I guess my question for some people here is this: if you have a recording which has been clipped so heavily to the point of square waves, does this have the same effect on your speakers as if your amps had clipped? will they be damaged?
been able to miss them after 25 years of industrial listening. Thanks for the link!It's always a shame how folks narrow their minds as they age. Good for Diana Krall, I guess, and all the other nouveau female "jazz" singers out there creating the musical equivalent to unflavored oatmeal or Prozac. Or both together.
Edits: 01/08/09
Whitehouse? Now THAT'S funny. Just watched a few of their videos on Youtube. Frankly, looks and sounds like something you would find on South Park. Thank God I'm not THAT young anymore!
Thanks a lot. My Infinity Primus 150s are now just smoking piles of ash. I'm filing a lawsuit immediately.
No seriously, I assume someone has already recommended PA speakers, right? That's what they used at that concert, so why not follow the same logic if that's what you want? Built to play long and loud.
Or the other that comes to mind are those giant 15-inch Cerwin Vegas. Built to crush skulls and annoy parents everywhere.
I've been reading about the new Dynaudio Excite series (specifically the Dynaudio x36). They look like a nice candidate. I'm not sure if the sound will be as refined as my Contours which I have now, I'm going to give them a listen (they have a high sensitivity compared to the other Dyns out there), which is partly a selling point for them.
really? No, I mean really it is?........
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
That is serious atmosphere, and nothing polite about it - very raw too! (After listening to Strauss)cool.
Edits: 01/02/09
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Wouldn't fry my ESL hybrid speakers.
I try not to be judgemental about a person's choice in "music".
So I'm not going to say anything.
Interesting. Playing the You Tube demonstration through small computer speakers (with "sub" [not really]) woofer it was impossible for me to tell how deep/taxing the low frequency information was. Perhaps you can elaborate on that. Certainly at over 110 db loud levels this would seem to be a wicked test for most "audiophile speakers that I am aware of.
For sure every speaker system (and ears) has its limits and how loud (the wild card) the music is played is a huge factor in reaching those limits. I suspect, however, that the larger Ohms would succeed as well as most and a money back guaranteed home demonstration might prove interesting. Although I suspect I would use robust horns for this genre. Otherwise, the You Tube demonstration was, to me, akin to psuedo pink noise (information of all frequencies, but not in equal portions).
Robert C. Lang
Well, that's a youtube low quality video take of a "concert". The fully mastered and mixed released albums have extreme low and high frequencies, as you said information at all frequencies which continually fluctuate based on the musician's needs at the time. Most of this music is created with no vocals (well at least the 100's of this type of albums I have here in my library).
So the entire spectrum range is utilized at any given moment, and that demo is considered a fun "mellow" version of that type of music.
I tell you after a day's work in Manhattan, nothing beats coming home to this and letting it clear my mind. I'm not kidding :) To each his own I say!
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