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In Reply to: RE: CHECK THIS OUT posted by wirewizard on July 22, 2009 at 14:44:40
Again for the second shipment it's your word vs documented proof.
The package was signed for and delivered via FedEx Ground tracking number is 755667410061095.
Follow Ups:
You just cant expect a moron to understand. Your paper means nothing and it is a part of your scam. Good luck your going to need it dick.
Rudy you signed for the package LOL...since when did proof of delivery and signature confirmation mean nothing?
FedEx tracking number with Signature Confirmation 755667410061095.
Who gives a fuck who signed for the package. Again you try to focus on meaningless details.
why did you ship a package with no insurance, traceability, direct signature? BECAUSE YOUR A THIEF. Focus on the facts.
Why did you say you put 400 dollars cash in a envelope? BECAUSE YOUR A THIEF, Answer this one. Oh thats right stealing from your own family..
Wheres my message stating I got you for your cables and cash? BECAUSE YOUR A THIEF...you have no such message.
What happened in the Neal Callander incident? BECAUSE YOUR A THIEF, you robbed him like you did me and he is just realizing it.
Why do you focus on things of know bearing? BECAUSE YOUR A THIEF!
NOW GO CRAWL UNDER THE ROCK AND IN TO THE HOLE YOU CAME FROM. NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE ANYMORE TROLL.
Sorry to jump in here but, you need a grammar lesson.
It's YOU'RE a thief. You're is a contraction for YOU ARE. Proper use of YOUR is YOUR house, YOUR amp, etc.
I'm not going to get into the KNOW and NO. Instead of arguing with this guy, go buy a grammar book. It'll do wonders for your future communications with others.
Dick.
Rudy doesn't even understand basic grammar and he says I have no education...give me a break...LOL.
Edits: 07/23/09
Rudy are you listening to yourself??? The package did have tracking plus $1000.00 worth of insurance and Direct Signature confirmation.
Here is the tracking number 755667410061095 and you signed for it...Rudy you are contradicting yourself.
Oh yeah...Neal Callender is a satisfied "REPEAT" customer who loves my cables and has his entire system wired with my cables.
The package I refer to is the incident that started all of this. The 861 dollar package you used to scam me you idiot moron fuck.I insisted that the second package have insurance, traceability and direct signature, not you, you fuckin sped. And now you use my own demands to try and clear your pathetic name. You really are an idiot.
Unbelievable, yet here it is....this guy is really really stupid.
GO AWAY YOUR BUSINESS IS RUINED AND NOBODY WANTS YOU HERE. YOU HAVE NO EDUCATION AND NO INPUT THAT IS WORTH A FUCK.
Edits: 07/22/09
Oh you mean this 03082040000037156177 that was proven to be delivered to you too.
This number sure looks like traceability to me buddy 03082040000037156177.
This is a well respected dealer high up on the food chain....
Having just noticed this thread, I need to interject a couple of things, as a response here and to one other of mr. elf's posts below. These will serve to undermine mr. elf's credibility, not that he isn't doing an excellent job of that himself.
The emails Rudy has posted here are legitimate, and verbatim copies of the ones I received yesterday, so, contrary to what mr. elf is seemingly so desperate to have people believe, they are not 'imagined', and people should believe what Rudy 'is typing' because it is not 'rubbish', it is the truth.
mr. elf then states that 'there was not a single reply by any member', which, again, is false. I sent a lengthy response to the Audiogon dispute resolution forum yesterday, as I believe several others did as well. I was aware of this scam from its inception and commented on Rudy's behalf because of that. I have known Rudy for quite a while, and know him to be an honest person. A little excited at this point, but who in his position would not be? Rudy was scammed and is angry. Angry for getting taken, and angry that, with Audiogon's help, mr. elf is seemingly going to get away with it. At this point, though Rudy would like to get his money back, he is mainly trying to alert other people in the community of what happened so they do not get scammed by mr. elf as well. The fact that Audiogon has not allowed the responses of those who were aware of what happened to verify Rudy's account is unfortunate. They are in essence protecting the scammer.
Here's the summary of what would seem to be the scam:
Rudy sees an unnaturally good deal for a pair of Audience cables on Audiogon and sends mr. elf $861.
No shipment ever arrives. This is the truth, to which anyone at his place of work can attest after listening to him pester the letter carrier day after day.
OK, could have gotten lost in the mail or delayed. Our first clue that something is not as it should be is mr. elf's continued insistence that the package was delivered to Rudy and he can prove it because he has a 'delivery confirmation number' that he keeps flashing all about as if it were not meaningless. As anyone who has ever learned to regret trusting the Postal Service knows, a 'delivery confirmation' designation does not provide any tracking as reasonable people understand tracking. It is not proof that something was delivered to Rudy, or to Rudy's address.
Although we do not all do it, we do all know that it is the responsibility of the seller to see that the purchased item makes it safely into the hands of the purchaser, this includes proper packaging, insurance, and, if you are smart, tracking. If the package does not arrive undamaged, it is not the buyer's fault and the buyer cannot legitimately be asked to share the pain. From a legal standpoint this is probably the bottom line.
But, mr. elf hammers out a deal with Rudy wherein Rudy will accept some of his off brand cables plus $400 in money orders. This time mr. elf sends Rudy the elf cables, and nothing else. Then conveniently claims that he didn't use money orders as had been agreed on, but sent $400 cash in the package instead. But this time he uses FedEx and the package can be tracked to prove he sent something. So, mr. elf claims that Rudy is lying about not receiving the cash. Of course! This should probably be the second red flag to anyone who is paying attention. You are in a heated dispute with someone revolving around claims that they did not receive something you sent earlier, so you send them a package containing not money orders for which you have a receipt, but cash! I don't think so.
Up to this point, one could fairly believe that, perhaps, just perhaps, mr. elf was telling the truth and that he had originally sent Rudy a pair of underpriced Audience cables just as he claimed, and that they mysteriously vanished. It happens. Not often, but it happens, especially if the seller is careless enough to send something without insurance or tracking.
(Though Rudy had noticed, and the alleged moderators at Audiogon might have been able to verify, that, of all the ads which mr. elf had on Audiogon, the only ad which did not have a picture of the goods to be sold, was the ad for the Audience cables). Maybe there was a reason he could not take a picture of cables he did not have. Or could have been just a strange coincidence.
What would make a serious person begin to doubt mr. elf's version of reality was that Rudy checked mr. elf's feedback and found a person who had also purchased an item from mr. elf, which had mysteriously disappeared in transit and, coincidence upon coincidence, this person had also been talked into taking elf cables instead.
All that lightning in one place, how odd that is.
So, Audiogon is not policing the system for scammers to the extent that members might rightfully expect.
Rudy is not going to be made whole here, and he knows it. All he is trying to do is to alert people to what seems to go on occasionally when dealing with mr. elf, who, to be fair, has some satisfied customers as well. Caveat emptor, as always.
No one is in a position to prove anything for either side beyond a shadow of a doubt. My main intent was to point out that a few of the things that mr. elf had posted here regarding whether or not anyone had posted a response to the dispute on Audiogon were factually inaccurate, and to provide some context to the nature of the original dispute, which the moderators at Audiogon have unadvisedly chosen to bury.
You just admitted earlier that Conrad was your "FRIEND"...so what he had to say was totally biased.
Dispute this Rudy 03082040000037156177.
Go ahead ernie say some other irrelevent bull shit to satisfy your child like character. That is the absolute reason these threads have taken up so much space you know that right. Every comment further puts your idiot ass in the grave. Go ahead speak up sped.
Last word....Why I don't mind if I do...lets see if you wish to have the last word now.
Rudy you got the cables USPS Priority "Delivery Confirmation" number 03082040000037156177.
Call the forum moderator, play the voice mail, expose Rudy as a liar. The fact that you don't speaks volumes.
-Wendell
Wendell you keep bringing up this phone call...
this irrefutable evidence will suffice....FedEx tracking number 755667410061095.
He's always said he got your replacement cables. YOU SAID you have voice mail proof that he ripped you off. The only logical reason you won't share it with an unbiased third party is that you lied about the proof. If you lied about that it indicates you've lied about everything. Come on, contact the moderator, prove Rudy is a ball-faced liar and fraud. He's clearly not going to quit until you show him to be a liar or you give him his money. If I were in your position I would provide the proof YOU SAID you have. If I were Rudy, I would do everything he's done plus I would be at your front door to confront you man to man. End it. You have the power,
one way or the other.
Why not ask everyone following this thread what they would do in your position? I think I know but I'm wrong about half the time.
END IT NOW!
-Wendell
And it doesn't prove I didn't either...why would I pull out $300 from the ATM 21 minutes before I shipped Rudys package?You said:
"The only logical reason you won't share it with an unbiased third party is that you lied about the proof".
I say:
Nobody that has posted in this thread is unbiased...you guys even dispute actual hard core documentation as proof...I won't even get into it about using the Moderators(no disrespect intended)...so why waste my time with something that can be refuted...no thanks.
I know I sent Rudy the Money and the cables so thats all that really matters.
Edits: 07/22/09
PUT IT IN YOUR POCKET
She thinks you are the biggest piece of shit in history...she knows the truth!!!
I wish they would chime in. In my opinion, anyone who does business with you is a fool.Anyone can see you lied about the voice mail.
Rudy, take some time off. Travel to his jurisdiction and sue him. If he doesn't respond you'll win by default. If he does he is going to have to prove he sent you the money or he will lose. I know it will cost you but think of the satisfaction. It might just be worth it. I wish you the best of luck.
-Wendell
Edits: 07/22/09
You know why nobdy else has chimed in through all these hundreds of posts???...because there is nobody else!!!...this is an isolated incident from a disgruntled customer.
IMO any man used as a sock puppet is a fool...if it was so plain to see that I lied about a voicmail...why are you so gung ho on pressing the issue...motives motives motives.
You saw the picture of Rudy calling my cell phone which the Moderators deleted... Rudy admitted calling me to "chew my ass out"...that alone shows motive and intent to leave such a message.
You see Wendell you show way too much intrest in this phone call ...a dead give away that you are in cahoots with Rudy.
I wish Rudy would come to Ohio and sue me...I would be laughing all the way to the bank!
You are a liar. I don't know the man and I don't know you. We live in neighboring states if you would like to come by and talk about it.I wish he would sue you. Maybe then you would play that voice mail for the judge. Of course, he or she might be "in cahoots" with the plaintiff.
-Wendell
Edits: 07/22/09
I really wish Rudy would try and sue me...I have all the tracking/shipping documentation and ATM receipts to prove I sent him money and cables on the dates in question...now how could Rudy convince a judge that I never sent him any money...now thats a tough one!
I most surely would win...and the voicemail would just be icing on the cake.
So you will play if for me so I can record it and report back here to Shady Lane?
-Wendell
Edits: 07/22/09
Like I've said before Rudy admitted to arranging for you to hear the tape and he offered monetary compensation...no disrespect,but you aren't someone I would actually call unbiased.
You see you are just a little too high strung about this voicemail thingy...especially for a person who claims they don't even know Rudy.
Pick someone else that participates on Shady Lane and hasn't been involved in this discussion. Better yet, you pick one and Rudy pick one. I will not a part of it.
-Wendell
Hey actually I was thinking more like you AND Rudy could come by Ohio and we could all talk about this face to face man to man while listening to some music...I'll supply food and refreshments.
Jump on it.
-Wendell
You are invited too Wendell.
You play me that voice mail and I will consider it. I promise to repeat exactly what I hear in Shady Lane. I will also record it so anyone can be sure I repeat it exactly. I'm available tomorrow if you want to play it for me. I'll even call you on my dime. Rudy, be aware, if he has it you will be exposed as a liar. Ernest, if you don't......
I'm in Louisville, where are you? Rudy, where are you? I haven't been on a road trip in awhile. I need to go to Cincinnati and Pittsburgh anyway.
-Wendell
Lol...are you serious... play it for you a guy in cahoots with Rudy...you promise you will repeat exactly what the tape says...I doubt it.
Remember Rudy originally arranged for you to listen to the tape in the first palce and offered to compensate you with money...you aren't someone I would call unbiased.
If you are serious enough about this voicemail to drive to South Euclid,Ohio I will cordially invite you to my home to listen to the tape and music...I'll have my wife serve food and refreshments...after all, you need to go to Cincinnati anyway.
Wendell,
Just stop responding to the troll, I told you he is a imature child. I assure you on my life I will go and see ernest. I am there a couple times a year. It will be a surprise and I will bring video for this entire forum to see just what a bitch we have been dealing with. He will not produce a voice mail with the time and date and my voice. I left no message. Nothing. Its a waste of your time. Now if you want to come and witness for yourself how much of a bitch he is, your welcome to do so. I assure you it will be a very painfull and embarrasing moment for him. I have ruined his business, but I am not finished yet. I will make him regret ever fucking with me. The funny thing is, if he actually sent me the au42e cables, and then sent me 400 cash + cables its he who would be coming after me...you see? He scammed me and others, he knows it and all he is concerned with at the moment is trying to twist it, so he doesnt look like the scum bag he is... Just a tick, the worst kind of human being you could possibly run in to.
Lol...such harsh words from such a little guy...you remind me of a lap dog...small with a lot of bark,but won't actually do shit...Oooohhhhh I'm so scared Rudy...actually sales have increased since this incident...you've been doing a great job of advertising my business...LOL!
Rudy if I scammed you the first time I wouldn't have sent you shit else...I would have took your $861 and told you to kick rocks.
No you were trying to quiet me, like the others. You figured if you play the game, I might not realize I was scammed. But your greedy ass fucked me anyway by never sending the money order
Now why would I do that knowing how intimidating you are...LOL
Rudy if I scammed you for the Au24 cables why didn't you start this shit before I gave you your $400 refund and cables???...I know because you are a con artist.
If I where simply trying to keep you quiet by giving you a partial refund and cables...it wouldn't make sense for me not to give you the money dumb ass.
Troll that pic doesnt tell you anything, you are in trouble...
A picture tells a thousand words...I'm in trouble...LOL...make me know it!!!
Edits: 07/22/09
your playing with fire troll, I will make you reget all your bullshit from hear after. Keep it up. You better do a back round check to see exactly what your dealing with. You hide behind a key board I know for sure face to face you will ball up like baby, try and call the police, and hide in your house. It will be surprise so you wont have a chance to do the things mentioned above. Ernest Lee Farly sounds real scary...
Funny you mentioned that...I did do a background check on you...bankruptcy,law suits, domestic violence...oohhh you beat up women...how pathetic!!!
Edits: 07/23/09
But I bet your not over 150 soaken wet.
Rudy please hurry and come see me you are 5'9" 165lbs...I'm 6'4" 275lbs with a back ground in martial arts...gung fu to be exact...I'm gonna put you on You-Tube under "funniest Knock Out" when you come visit...LOL.
n/t
Alright, Rudy. I'll stop. He says you offered to pay me. How much?
-Wendell
He did? How much? Show me. I would have been working harder! Rudy! Are you holding out on me? I thought we had a deal!That could work out...Louisville, Cincy, Columbus, Cleveland and a hop down to Pittsburgh. A whole lotta birds with one stone.
And, once again, you refuse to produce the voice mail.
-Wendell
Edits: 07/22/09
You know the moderators deleted everything including my pictures.
Rudy! You didn't tell me there was money in it for me! Damn! I could use it too!Ernest, what did he offer me? I've quite enjoyed this soap opera. How did I miss that one?
-Wendell
Edits: 07/22/09
He is fucking with you like every one else. He is trying to divert the attention from the facts, he refuses to address.
Oh, I understood you to be offering that to him if he produced the voice mail. I didn't realize I had a chance for it. Damn!
-Wendell
Hello. My comments in ELFs feedback refer to a situation where I bought an
expensive ($500+) Jolida CD player from him and never received it. After
much back and forth with both ELF and USPS, I am still undecided about what
happened.
ELF said he shipped it to me but could not provide relevant backup data. He
said he did not keep USPS receipts for long. USPS said the tracking number
provided by ELF was for a very small package- a cable, I believe, which is
what I think he mainly sells- sent around the time of my "scheduled"
delivery to a nearby Mclean, VA address, but not MY address. He said the
package was insured, but that USPS would not pay up on the insurance because
the package WAS in fact delivered, just not my package (which would have
weighed 20 lbs).
Since his documentation was fuzzy and the USPS had their documentation
painting a different story, I tentatively concluded that ELF had never
mailed a package TO ME (I have a 90% feeling this). However, there is a
slight chance (10%) that he told the truth and the USPS lost the package.
ELF did work out a deal with me involving some cash back and a few sets of
his Gold Helix ICs. These came through OK and the product is good.
That is my view on things.
I will keep your situation in confidence and appreciate your discretion on
my viewpoint.
Sincerely,
Neal Callander
-----Original Message-----
From: rzigray@fastmail.fm [mailto:rzigray@fastmail.fm]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:20 AM
To: ncallander@cox.net
Subject: A transaction with ELF Audio
TO: Ncallander
Hi,
If you would, please keep this confidential, until I find out whats going
on.
Hi, My name is Rudolff Zigray. I recently purchased a pair of speaker
cables off of Ernest of Elf Audio. They were not Elf Audio Cables. They
were a 3 meter pair of Audience AU24e speaker cables. I paid 861 dollars
for the cables. Ernest shipped the cables USPS, with out no insurance or
Direct Signature. I never received my item. Nor based on the service
Ernest used, can I verify what address was on the box.
Ernest tells me he never had an issue using USPS and this if the first time
anything like this happened. This is why he did not ship with insurance or
direct signature. He refused to refund my money but offered his cables
instead.
Now, I am not sure what happened. Ernest seems to be honest. But when I
saw the feedback you left Elf Audio, You state you had an issue in which
something happened to your item, USPS screwed up? and Ernest gave you cables
instead? Was your item something other than Elf Cables?
I am a member with oustanding feedback. I really appreciate if you could
please describe your experience with Ernest of Elf Audio. It will help me
in my situation right now. If I can be any help to you in the future,
please do not hesitate to ask. Again, I thank you for your time and
consideration into this matter.
Kindest regards
Rudolff
============================
Then why hasn't Neal come forth to say anything...I have an idea... maybe because Neal is one of my best customers...his entire system is wired with my cables.He even left me positive feedback....ouch!
Back to the point Rudy...you got the cables and money and this FedEx tracking number proves it 755667410061095.
I told you you had to have the last word Rudy...LOL!
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