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In Reply to: Re: Music! - People use it so differently posted by mobile homeless on April 06, 2001 at 18:07:15:

Yes, I knew what you meant when you said `sugary`, but my reference to the term in another context regarding valves may have confused you. It`s a very fine line between injecting real emotion into a track, and over-egging the pudding which is what you may think of some of Eva Cassidy`s stuff. For me, the likes of Mariah Carey and Celine Dion cross this line (why sing one note when three will do!), but for me and many others, Eva Cassidy gets it spot on. There`s a certain humanity that she injects into a song, which you either believe is genuine or forced/insincere - knowing a little about her character and upbringing I`m pretty sure it`s the former. As far as production goes, I feel that the less the better - live is always preferred over studio. I`ve never actually heard Sarah Vaughan, but your comments as well as others on the `Music` Forum have convinced me that it`s time I did. Back to the SETs then (before someone tells us we`re on the wrong Forum), what do you use, and can you state catagorically that vocals are in no way `sugary` in the `rose-tinted` sense? Also relating to my earlier posting way down this page, how`s ya bass den man?

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...you mean there are more than four chords? (Sarah Vaughan music Link) mobile homeless 13:56:10 04/07/01 (8)
Yes, I agree with you here... and after I posted that, I went to
CDNow and played about 20 samples to get a better understanding as
to where you were coming from. And yes, on her better material, Eva
does inject a naturalness and lack of pretense to the song... Her
best stuff is the least produced material. I can easily see the
appeal and genuine nature that you are referring to.
If you want to get a good cheap sampling of Sarah Vaughan, this CD
is really great, as it highlights her older material and is amazingly
analog sounding. It sounds very open and natural. It is
SARAH VAUGHAN IN HIFI
Columbia/Legacy Records
20 Bit Remastering

Click HERE for CDNow link to Album
I dont think you can go wrong with that one.
As for my system, here is a basic rundown of what I am playing at the
moment... as for bass, it has great tone and is pretty extended but
not like a a home theatre setup; basically, you have to change the way
you listen to SET amps... Although, to me, the bass is very
satisfying, now with better pitch than any SS amp I've had.
My System (although a few changes have happened since this )
Let me hear from you,
kelly
- Whoa -- ferrite on all wire? Randy Bey 08:10:27 04/09/01 (2)
  even interconnects?
  I never heard such attenuated treble as when someone put a pair of ICs with four(!) ferrite blocks on each channel.
  However, I have been thinking of putting them on the AC power cords, just for grins.
  - Re: Whoa -- ferrite on all wire? mobile homeless 19:49:36 04/09/01 (0)
    I never heard such attenuated treble as when someone put a pair of
    ICs with four(!) ferrite blocks on each channel.However, I have been
    thinking of putting them on the AC power cords, just for grins.
    I have ferrite chokes on all my power cords. Have them on one end of
    two sets of interconnects... I am experiencing no rolloff at all.
    Indeed, in my PP systems, I was using Transparent wire with those
    filter networks...sounded fine on certain amps but that wire stinks
    on SET amps. The transparent wire does do well on my Rega Planet to
    my preamp, either the Creek or Cary. But by and large, simple is very
    much the better route as the 75 cents of RS 18awg solid core was far
    more open and natural (if not quite as quiet) as my $900 worth of Transparent speaker cable.
    kh
- heard SV at a little bistro in London once Randy Bey 10:39:14 04/08/01 (3)
  I was not impressed, but that's because I just don't get "scat".
  nope nope nope.
  OTOH, Eva Cassidy, if I may segue, only produced one or two albums before her death. All the rest is copies of her first cuts of songs recorded in a studio with only her guitar and a mike.
  Not the best by any stretch, but squint your ears and listen to the passion, the love of music, seeping through every pore of her being.
  - With Eva, you either get it or you don`t - transcends mere music for me...[nt] chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 14:10:56 04/08/01 (0)
    nt
  - Re: heard SV at a little bistro in London once...SCAT? mobile homeless 11:45:30 04/08/01 (1)
    I was not impressed, but that's because I just don't get "scat".
    Sarah Vaughan is not just a scat specialist...indeed, if you go
    to that CD I recommended in that post, you wont hear a single
    song done in scat in 22 or so numbers.
    Actually, I like Billie Holiday the best of all the jazz singers
    as no one, and I mean NO ONE, has her soul, depth, and feeling.
    Personally, I dont think anyone comes close, even to this day.
    But you should give Vaughan another chance as SCAT was not her
    only calling; in fact, I always think of Ella Fitzgerald when
    someone mentions SCAT, as that was more of her claim to fame.
    kh
    - OK, OK Randy Bey 08:05:52 04/09/01 (0)
      I'll give her another chance.
      I have a bit of cash burning a hole in my pocket. Was gonna buy a handful of Joni Mitchell HDCD remasters, but maybe I'll expand my horizons a bit.
- `Leaving on a Jet-plane`, I`ve got it perfected! chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 17:17:17 04/07/01 (0)
  So two things I need to acquire in the future are the Sarah `Vaughan in Hi-Fi` CD, and a PC - loved the link and the pictures of your system. Unfortunately I`m sat here using my TV to surf the net, so no sound-card to listen to any clips of Sarah - be assured that I have already added her name to my rapidly growing list of `must try` artists (Loreena McKennitt and Celeste Krenz also included) which I`ll be hunting down, once I have the means to listen to them seriously that is - please God, next week? Back to your own system now; most of the stuff is foreign to me - literally that is, but I`d have loved the chance to have a listen as if it sounds as good as it looks, it must be quite an experience. Narrow speakers are usually better at `disappearing` sonically, the little Totems and Revel Gems were the best I`ve heard in this respect, whereas my massive Tannoys have a well defined sweet-spot which demands my occupation. It sounds as if you`re intent on horns though, 100dB+ sensitivity has made your mind up for you, but try and listen to Tannoys before you buy will you? Again, it`s a matter of taste and you may have already auditioned, but the 15" Dual Concentric Drivers are highly sought after in the Far East where they`re a favourite with valve-users. The main strength is that the bass and mid-range come from a single point source, so no phase-alignment errors; the large driver ensures that most bass comes from the driver rather than from the reflex port, again resulting in more cohesion and speed. At around 96dB sensitivity they could suit you, but you`ll have more idea of your amps capabilities than I.

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