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In Reply to: RE: mil spec silver plated copper standed wires ? posted by tube wrangler on March 10, 2017 at 09:17:55
Hey Dennis thanks for taking your time to pst your thoughts, to be honest I am NOT much of a silver guy but I believe if used sparingly, and in the right spot I could work
Now I really am lliking this wire I am experimenting with is consisted a copper core, silver plated then gold plated over that , its very small awg but many strands in very old unbleached cotton shoestring insulation top to bottom is very good, Now I want my music I listen too to have real musical merit like what we hear in a good live unamplified venu meaning good clear vocal with proper structure and sounds.
Now silver is a bright sounding conductor or very dull sounding and can hilight our music and even sound exciting but after awhile you tire from this exaggeration plus there is losses in tone,tonal structure and realizem.
so far the thin copper silver gold wire is beating up all the others
Lawrence
Follow Ups:
You have a computer with a sound interface. There is some decent FFT software available free on line.
Why not show us these differences between wires? If silver wire boosts the high end enough to hear it, surely that can easily be measured.
When is somebody going to show us a repeatable test of 12wag versus thin silver wire in a tube amp input circuit?
If this is so audible, why can nobody measure it?
This is the Second time I am going to ask you NON believers to please leave this thread as only subjective, Now if you want to GO AND START YOUR OWN THREAD HOW ALL OF US SUBJECTIVE PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE GO RIGHT AHEAD LEAVE MY THREAD ALONE START YOUR OWN THREAD ALREADY!!
"Now if you want to GO AND START YOUR OWN THREAD HOW ALL OF US SUBJECTIVE PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE GO RIGHT AHEAD LEAVE MY THREAD ALONE START YOUR OWN THREAD ALREADY!!"
Sorry, but how were people supposed to know that a thread where you said you had some new results on the comparison between heavy awg and small awg wire was intended to be exclusively about subjective impressions and not actual physics and measurements?
There is a tweaks forum to discuss these ideas. This is supposed to be a practical construction forum.A novice coming in here to build a project does not need to be burdened with these unproven expensive tweaks.
But I will cease posting here, what the point?
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A practical construction forum is one where
people are free to build what they want and need,
are free to ask any questions they like about it--
FROM ANYONE, and are free-- without intimidation--
to get those questions answered by ANYONE
that THEY choose to listen to.In a true practical construction forum, good people
with common sense are able to glean what they wish to
apply-- and are able to reject what they do not-- from
any or all of the postings, without any enforced rulings
from "experts" who flame-out every time they see something
that they think might not conform to their charts and graphs.WHY someone might not wish to obey them is not considered
at all.Of course, they only want to "save you from yourself"--
they don't allow for your freedom to chart your own way
because you might make a mistake by listening to somebody
that doesn't think like them-- you might not obey
the dictations that they had deemed necessary for you....,
and that would be BAD PUPPY~!Here are some insightful, inspiring words-- direct
quotes from Mr. Nikola Tesla:"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for
experiments, and they wander off through equation
after equation, and eventually build a structure which
has no relation to reality"."Energy, Frequency, Vibration".
"Intuition counts, not the brain".
I believe that Mr. Tesla knew that his
intuitive information came from the Cosmos,
what would we call it-- perhaps Universal Energy,
perhaps he got it from God.There are certainties: (1) It worked. (2) He
said it DID NOT come from his brain. He also
mused that he applied those ideas by designing
a complete machine in his conscious thought, not
with mathematics, not from the brain or from anything
proven, not from charts, graphs, or from anything else..He BUILT THE MACHINE FIRST. All of the proof was
in the thing he had built.This is also how I design my own equipment-- the only
proof needed is in the equipment itself.-Dennis-
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Tre'
Have Fun and Enjoy the Music
"Still Working the Problem"
Not the TubeDIY forum. Not really sure what the purpose of this forum is these days, but DIY stuff should be on TubeDIY
91.
"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein
The basic premise of one poster's suggestion that we use 12 AWG on the input lead, RCA jack to a driver's grid, is 100% incorrect.One will not see anything like that posted here ever !! I typically may use two runs of about 19 to 22 AWG silver there, solid silver, sometimes bare. A span usually two inches long.
Here follows is a quote, sent by Mr. Dennis Fraker to me privately today, from Nikola Tesla :
"Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments,
and they wander off through equation after equation and eventually
build a structure which has no relation to reality".I would really like to know if some people posting here, on the SET Forum, have ever actually heard a SET amplifier ???
Have fun, I do !!
Jeff Medwin
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'Cherry picking' to support your lack of knowledge and application of physics.
Look at what he said about Edison:
Many Thanks for the URL.
TO ALL FORUM MEMBERS:
What men are really fighting over is Turf--
or, to state it simply: resources-- energy,
power.
Political Power
(in this case, forum-induced electrical/political correctness)
is useless for producing what you want-- it is only useful for
TAKING what people think they want... away from others.
This is our dilemma: new ideas are always
opposed by those who are protecting their Turf.
We don't need or want that-- it's only cheap
politics as usual.
What we need is a new (old?) form of power that
can be used to eliminate the "need" for Turf Battles
(and war!)-- we need a free energy source- BADLY.
There are some good minds who post on these forums.
Yes, sometimes a little calculation will save time--
the controverse is ALSO true-- calculations that produce
working models that aren't quite right are also wastes
of time.
WHERE is your FREE ENERGY source? THIS is what you
should be arguing over!
"A Man With No Imagination Is A Prisoner. Trapped
In His Own Narrow Mind".
-Dennis-
Dennis, I think you have just explained some of the these goings on - on both sides.
Some of us are caught in the middle; the actions of both "sides" are destroying the forum.
There is one protagonist on the SET forum who continually inflames battles, frequently posting off-topic promote his views, baiting others to respond.
91.
"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein
The forum cannot be destroyed-- ever-- as long as BOTH
sides can speak freely at all times on anything that
ANY POSTER feels is relevant, not the other way around--When either side tries to limit or stop discussion-- if that
side succeeds, then the forum is destroyed.Whenever a public forum becomes a dictatorship (by one side)
or a democracy (mob rule led by an agent/s), it IS destroyed.The only way a public forum can be destroyed is--
either thru one-side rule (dictatorship), or thru
Mob Rule (democracy). Either or both will destroy a
forum because INDIVIDUAL person input is either controlled
or squelched, or barred. This, of course, renders a
forum useless for new ideas and problem solving.As long as INDIVIDUALS on both sides are able talk/post
freely, all is JUST FINE.This honest operation of a forum isn't especially revered
by those who wish to control it for their own uses.
Intelligent people allow those people to talk freely also--
intelligent people want ZERO suppression of human expression
of ideas, so they tolerate give-and-take.Those who resent this normally constant give-and-take are
trying to use the forum for their own ends only.One can always tell the phonies from the real people.
The phonies are trying to shut someone up.That is a certain sign that they are not on the level..
"I never promised you a bed of roses". --Is The Price of Liberty.
-Dennis-
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This is an audio forum, with guidelines and I assume some purpose. What you have described guarantees those few with the loudest and most insistent voices, and most willing to ignore the forum guidelines, will prevail. I thought perhaps - as a diverse collective - could achieve more than forum war-mongering and turf warring. My bad.This may be a turf war, but it needn't be. I'm very much for genuine diversity of opinion and healthy debate.
91.
"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein
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I'm with you on this-- I too believe in staying on topic,
that is, as long as we don't start suppressing posts/posters
as a sort of "cure" for a problem that doesn't exist
as a genuine problem.
We should also let posters stray from the topic as long as
it doesn't become something bizarre, like advertising
Women's brazziers. Wait a minute-- even that might have some
bearing on something in audio that maybe we could apply--
then, it might not. If it doesn't-- nothing lost--
laugh at it, and go on to the posts you can use.
Most of the posts look very much like signs of
health to me... if we don't leave them alone, we end up
as cheap, totalitarian censors-- which are a penny-a-dozen
all over the world.
These particular forums are unique in that they have so
far stayed in the free speech/expression mode, making them
the most valuable forums on the internet.
That this causes some frictions is exactly what should
be expected and will happen but it is POSITIVE, not negative.
The trick to negotiating such a place is to use the posts
you can use yourself. There are plenty of good ones
posted on both sides, simply pick those out for yourself.
You could censor some posts or posters, but then all you
would have is tons of the same ideas-- worked over and over
until all the members got bored by the same approaches from
the posts they did allow and the forum becomes just
another club just like the millions of others on the
internet.
The intelligence and ingenuity of nearly all of the posters
here is very high. Arguments between members should be
expected, encouraged, and learned from!
-Dennis-
Jeff, I don't need to be convinced of the prevalence of stagnant, misguided "science". As an ex-researcher, still working in a research-related field, I see the limitations of science daily. I also see wild theories, guesses, flawed logic and fallacies, and all manner of biases at play...Both extremes are clearly evident in the AA (not that there is really a duality or two points on a continuum, but I digress).
What really shits me are those claiming their personal opinions as absolute truths on one hand then lecture others on the other for doing exactly same... despite their own truths changing frequently. Unaware... driven by their neediness. Noise. Misleading.
91.
"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein
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Years and many posts re 'I hear it' and not one verification.
Measurement and analysis now operates at the molecular level.
Given the will to do so, audio systems are a doddle. Most claims re hearing a difference are related to changes that could only be regarded as inaudible.
Psychoacoustics is the area that subjectivists are in denial about. In the absence of verification of their many claims this is where they should be looking. The inconsistency of what they claim to hear, between individuals, could be due to individual mind processing.
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