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I think buyers of moderately priced, commercially available, SET amplification and speakers have always been a very small part of the SET world. It seems to be mostly inhabited by DIY builders and people with deep pockets. It used to be (is it still) that 300B owners could find a fair number of tube friendly 2-way speakers that sound just fine on tube friendly 2-ways. But the more I look at Stereophile, the more I see small stand mounts with very wicked electrical loads, obviously designed for SS amplification or perhaps paralled 300B output tubes, and anything else that can put out 20+ SET Watts (45, 211, 70, etc).
This leaves 2A3, 45 and smaller SET in the dust. Here, the moderately priced alternatives are honking full range speakers, some ZU speakers which don't sound much better to my ears, a small number of lone-wolf builders who have day jobs, and the low end of Audio Note (UK).
I consider myself lucky to have found one of the latter in Tonian Acoustics, but I had to take a big gamble since I had to rely mainly on word of mouth. I would have bought a less extensive pair of AN-E speakers, but they excited my back wall and the new technology and labor hours to replace that wall (so it doesn't vibrate) was just too expensive.
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Two layers of 1/2 inch sheet rock at 90 degrees to each other might have taken care of the problem and it wouldn't have cost very much in money or labor.
Simple: DIY your own! Learn something or if you are so not capable there are many that would love to build you one :)
Single Ended amplifiers are very simple and building/Voicing these simple amplifiers can be fun if you like to experiment as i do :) but also extremely difficult as every component sets a sound!
Lawrence
I don't know why you don't just build the corner that warren jarrett built and simply stick those in your corners.
This room had people who hated Audio Note call it one of the best sounds they've heard, and even reviewers I know who aren't big fans of the E were very impressed.
No corners!
Move to a new house/apartment :)
Depending on your room size, you can make or have made a pair of cabinets for the Great Plains Audio classic 604 driver. While not cheap, you can get excellent sound and I doubt will find better sound for the money. But , it is true that the picking are lean for SET owners. I guess we can blame cheap 100+ watt amps the size of a pack of cigarettes.
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High sensitivity, wide dynamic range, low distortion, and smooth frequency response. Pwk
http://www.itishifi.com
I'm not sure why I still subscribe. My hope was that Art Dudley would be given some small space to cover SET amplification and speakers. But economics has prevailed.
Absolute sound and Stereophile, and at times, many others,
remain as very valuable tools for us.Analyzing musical tastes is, of course, a mostly no-win
situation, so why subscribe to any of the publications?It is because of their EXPERIENCE with many different
pieces of equipment-- and in the long run, the reviewers
have learned what qualities good equipment should-- and
some do-- bring to the table.None of us can buy or build everything-- it would take
millions of dollars, and many lifetimes to sample 10% of
it, and more would come along-- faster than one could
sample all of it.But a group of people who can be loaned equipment from
different dealers and manufacturers -- and know what to
expect when that equipment is GOOD equipment, can and will
sample and report on most of the best of it. Coverage at audio
shows, while necessarily often spotty, adds greatly to the
accuracy of simple observations by the reviewer/reporter. Is
it totally honest? Let's put it this way: is anything else
MORE honest? I think not!Of course, not all reporting is perfect-- that is impossible
for the Human Race to do! What we DO get, and that I appreciate
very, very much is comment from professionals who KNOW WHAT THEY
ARE DOING-- and already know what good equipment should do.I salute especially Absolute Sound and Stereophile magazines.
I have personally subscribed to both for many years, and will
certainly continue to do so. When I need a new component (an
example is the new approaches to Direct-Drive turntables).WHERE ELSE are you going to find out what the new Pioneer
Direct_drive TT actually does, for instance, in terms that
make MUSICAL sense? Are you going to buy 100 different brands
of turntables to find out? Or get some honest comparisons
from seasoned pros?Sure-- the audio press has to satisfy both dealers and
advertisers. That is a given. Despite that, I find most
reviews VERY honest if the reader will simply do ONE thing:READ BETWEEN THE LINES and LOOK FOR CLUES HIDDEN IN THE
DISCUSSIONS.NO ONE is going to tell you point-blank that item "A" at
say, $1500.00 outperformed item "B" that cost $4500.00But if it actually does that-- that fact WILL be buried
in the clues that are hidden in the reviews.Seasoned pros are normally good at another thing:
spotting good build quality, and imparting experiences
about reliability.These kinds of publications are the greatest gifts that
have ever been given to people who want to see music
reproduced right.-Dennis-
Edits: 03/08/17 03/08/17
Audition a pair of Altec Model 14s.
Under $1000pr. 95dB SPL - a bit more with corner, wall and room gain.
Good post. May suggest this to one of my good buddies, in an apartment.
Thank you !! Off to eBay now.
Low Mu Jeff Medwin
o0w output SETs are very simple amplifiers. High costs don't reflect worthwhile gains. Duck,the world is about to collapse into subjective waffle.
Dear E.E.,
Name FOUR SET amps you have heard. How about three???
Jeff Medwin
I have heard more than three, including your favorite, and I own or have owned five, but I bought three of them without having heard them, based simply on "research".
But I don't see that much change - it was ever thus!
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
Have you ever owned, or heard any of their speakers?
No. But I have heard some of those (Fostex) drivers before. But the point is availability, is it not?
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
If you can manage to build an enclosure or have one built, the Mark Audio full range units are close to best in class for a 5" or 6" aluminium cone. I use the Altair 10s
The alternative - which would clearly be better - is what I had before, Apogee full-range ribbons. I just don't have the space but if I did I'd use an amp that suited them, SET or PP or whatever as long as it was DHTs right through. In the case of panel speakers, it's speaker over amp.
You are overlooking Omega Loudspeakers: fullange speakers of efficiency from 94-99dB priced from $695 - $4,695.
nt
I love my RETHMs on a diet of 3.5 watts of 2A3.
Amazing speakers.
I'm sure from what I have read that they are excellent speakers, and there is a dealer in Norway, but they are out of my "average Joe" price range. I also like the two Orangutan speakers by Devore, which I have heard, but I have the same problem there. I've also heard several Vaughn loud speakers, which I liked very much, but they too are out of my price-range.
Maybe I am asking too much. My current speakers please me no end and cost me less than $3500 shipped to Denmark from California.
I picked my RETHMs up as demos for a huge discount. They had barely been used at all. A little patience and effort can uncover some great deals.
I've looked at their home page before. I have never heard them. All of the modestly priced, "pure" full range speakers I have listened to do have a pretty nice mid-range that is just forward enough to suit my preferences, but every last one of those I have heard have jagged roll-off in the treble that is annoying to me. My current "affordable" speakers have ribbon tweeters combined with Fostex full-range drivers and a cross-ever between the two to replace the roll-off from the full-range drivers with the ribbon tweeter.
But, of course, there may be exceptions at the affordable end of the spectrum, but it takes a lot of "sampling" to find them. This is at a time, when virtually all of the big shows in the EU and the US are turning 95% high end SS power and 4% high-end tubes, most of which is PP, and the remaining 1% generally high-end SET, a good portion of which focuses on the 70, 211, and 845.
Another brand I almost tried, unheard, was Tekton, but I was a little leary of their claims, prices, and non-professional reviews. Who knows, I may have missed the real deal. Decision-making under uncertainty can lead to real regrets, so it's always best to slow down and be conservative when you come to a sharp bend in the road without a sign.
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