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In Reply to: RE: Ultimately... posted by gusser on October 02, 2015 at 14:26:41
Pure linear thought process....sure sounds like zealotry to me!"We are not arguing the holy mantle of engineering.
Western musical composition is based on math and science. It has been for 100's of years. The formulas are well proven and practiced.
Claiming only the inviolable engineering formulas are the key to musical nirvana, then discounting any listening be it casual or a formal listening that proves otherwise sure sounds more like religion to me.
This "I am ENGINEER therefore I am" crap sure does fit the bill!"
You rarely fail to personally attack "non-believers". You harangue incessantly that "Your Formulas" are the only key to valid musical nirvana. Empirical observation would lead one to the reasonable conclusion that you are, in fact, a radial fundamentalist, hell bent on converting or condemning to objective hell the non-believers. And like most zealots, you think you do it for the good of others.
Please, enough.
Cheers,
Geary
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It's not just me. None of this audiophile voodoo has any backing by the legitimate electronics industry. In fact no other area of electrical engineering has such a collection of voodoo as does consumer audio.I take it you are not of an electronic technical education or occupation. Yet you think proper design procedure is for the birds?
I am paid to design circuitry and systems. So are fellow EE's. Who are you to question the competence of the field? Take your magic wire and audio component theories and apply for a job in the legitimate electronics industry. See how far you get!
There is a sister TWEAKS forum where my views are not allowed. Ditto that for the cables forum. Perhaps you would be happier hanging out there.
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You just don't get it, do you? You seem to always fall back on the same Pavlovian behavior. Disagree with me and you get my "slings and arrows!"No I am not a trained engineer. I respect that training just like many other vocations. There are many audio professionals on the SET Asylum. I respect them for their training, experience, knowledge, willingness to share and, especially, their positive decorum. And, no, I am not into many of the tweaks others employ. But I do not have your overwhelming compulsion to attack, denigrate and demean those folks that sell or use such.
I enjoy music, utilize SET's and build my own equipment. I like to share and learn from self-minded others. That is why I visit this forum. Not to have to scroll past the constant dogma and derision that you spew.
It is your consistently intolerant, inconsiderate and belligerent behavior towards those, not of "Your Faith", that I am trying to address. Sadly I just wind up pricking the zealot.
The music beckons...
Cheers,
Geary
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If you don't like my posts, then ignore them. I am not the only person in this thread who is arguing against this wire directionality folly.Your post history shows you are one of these "lets all get along" types. If controversy upsets you so much then stay off public forums.
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A response that past behavior clearly predicted. Sad. I do try to ignore your posts. I would suggest that you try to follow your own advice. But I hold little hope for that. Yes, indeed, my nature is to "get along with people", sorry that offends you. But, again, I do not have the unquenchable need to elevate myself by demeaning others. I have found life if far more pleasant when mutual courtesy and respect prevail.
Sorry, think I will continue to hang around. My nature is also to not let the "bible thumpers" make me question the value of basic respect and courtesy.
Surely I have condemned myself to the lowest level of audio engineering hell for I have seen the light of the holy master and choseth to partake not.
Cheers,
Geary
Hang around if you want. But it is you who attacked me here. Keep that in mind if the moderators have to intervene.And if you read through the thread I am not the one who is belittling. Comparing one's self to Carl Sagen is such an example. That same person continues to belittle EE's as a group lacking his alleged superior education. All I ask for is some proof or evidence of said electronic concept and all I get is more fortune cookie mumbo jumbo about human philosophy.
So at least get your facts straight before assigning blame.
P.S I'm an atheists so these religious parallels you make go right over my head.
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Firstly, sorry you feel threatened, but factually I never attacked you. I commented on your continuing bullying behavior. Remember, I am one of those "lets all get along" types. Attacking you would be totally out of character. Unfortunately your behavior in this thread continues to reinforce general impressions about your online persona.
Secondly, atheist, religious or not, unless you have had your head completely in the sand, or other dark orifice, the last few decades or so, radical fundamentalism is pretty much common secular knowledge. It is your constant, narrowly defined dogma, that vilifies any dissent, that is, IMO, akin to the radical fundamentalists that are a plague on humanity.
Quite honestly, I doubt the other EE's need you to ride in and save them from the unwashed audiophile hoards. Seems to me almost all of them are confident enough in their training and experience, to be able to make their cases or simply just let the "tweakism's" pass. Sadly some folks just haven't evolved to that level of maturity. Anything that deviates from THE dogma must be attacked, discredited and ridiculed.
The OP deserved better treat than he received. But, that reality has become the norm in the SET Asylum. Any defense, by anyone, is immediately met with the dogma deluge. Anyone who posts in support or defense get attacked, demeaned and "credentialed" ad nauseum.
So I really doubt The Bored is going to call me to task for questioning your continuing behavior.
Cheers,
Geary
So you think 100 years of accumulated electrical engineering knowledge is "dogma".So you built an amplifier circuit from some instructions based on 1930s technology.
You have admitted you have no formal training in electronics.
Yet you feel you you are qualified to question experts in the field.
We have a tweaks forum. This wire directionality discussion belongs there, not here.
If you don't like my posts, then ignore them. The audiophile hoards do not need you coming in here saving them either.
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So you think 100 years of accumulated electrical knowledge is "dogma".No, I don't. It is your incessant badgering, demeaning and disrespectful behavior, bombarding any deviation from your fixed ideas and/or experience that makes that knowledge base your dogma. That is what you fail to comprehend.
"So you built an amplifier circuit from some instructions based on 1930s technology."
If that were true, "So what"!? This IS the SET Asylum. Go figger! But, anyway, this is just another non sequitur straw case. The amps, perhaps partially, but the reality is the design is a modern deviation from individuals for whom I have the utmost respect, Paul Joppa and the late John Camille.
The preamp is based on Russian 41PL tubes, so again, doesn't fit your, well, whatever point you thought you were attempting to put forth.
"You have admitted you have no formal training in electronics."Yes, again, "So what?" It would appear this is your "go to dismissal". I just don't understand why you think "credentialing" supports any of your behavior. Common courtesy and respect for others are rarely, if ever, requisite courses in education.
"Yet you feel you you are qualified to question experts in the field."
I find this sadly amusing. You really have no basis for your diatribe, so you make one up. I am not questioning any "experts in the field" I am pointing out how offensive I find your dogmatic rants attacking anyone not anointed with your magic alphabet soup and in lock step with your dogma.
"We have a tweaks forum. This wire directionality discussion belongs there, not here."
This is a Single Ended Triode forum. Remember? That '1930's technology"! I did not realize you were the sole dictator of acceptable discussion subjects. So, again, your "point" is specious.
Why would you waste all of your overwhelming and vastly superior EE knowledge and expertise ranting at advocates of an "amplifier circuit from some instructions based on 1930s technology."?
Cheers,
Geary
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This is a technical thread.
If you nothing technical to add, then leave.
You have done nothing but chastise me since you joined this thread.
The way I respond to other posters is not of your concern. If they have a problem they can address it with me directly or report it to the moderators.
Mind your own business.
This is the AA description of this Asylum:
SET Asylum
Single Ended Triodes (SETs), the ultimate tube lovers dream.
Am I missing something? It is not, by definition, a technical forum. I am sure there are such forums elsewhere. But likely your behavior would not be welcomed there either. I have "chastised" your schoolyard bullying behavior, which, apparently, you cannot control.
"The way I respond to other posters is not of your concern. If they have a problem they can address it with me directly or report it to the moderators."
Ah, but I have addressed your behavior directly. Your behavior proves that there is an inability to comprehend your own online persona, a bully hiding behind a keyboard cloaked in online anonymity. Your behavior has proven you are incapable of demonstrating any interaction that is not consistent with a bullyboy attitude. So why would anyone else bother?
"Mind your own business."
How eloquent! Have ever considered following your own advice?
Cheers,
Geary
Do you want to take this to the next level?People who post extraordinary claims here are going to be questioned. My dialog with the OP has been of a technical nature, not personal.
This entire sub thread you started is solely to attack me. If you keep it up, I will seek relief.
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Oh! Sorry! My bad! I am not "technically" educated so I must I not have understood. Here are some of your "highly" technical comments in this thread!
"With all your deep knowledge of this subject to which you say most educated engineers lack, why aren't you on a lecture circuit?"
"Why aren't you a top consultant to fortune 100 technology companies?"
"Why aren't you deep in university funded research on this subject."
"You did say you were the Carl Sagen of this subject?"
"Why are you a sales rep for a tiny audiophile company with sales I estimate of less than 2 million yearly?"
"Are you retired from all that excitement and this just now a hobby job?
Now you can say all you want about the under educated EE community but again all I see are the ramblings of a sales rep for yet another minuscule audiophile products company. Yup, conventional engineering knowledge is all wrong. You know better! Except that nobody in any position of authority is listening."
"I'm sure the janitorial staff at Yale has the exact same ID card!
You come in here to an audio forum spewing anthropology theories that have nothing to do with any field of electrical engineering.
You put yourself on the same plateau as Carl Sagen - how arrogant can one get!"
"Chick magnet"? Your ego is endless!"
"Yet all we have documented is your current position as a sales rep for some miniscule audiophile vendor."
Gusser, whoever you are, I never attacked you. I simply commented on your consistent behavior and the fact that you appear incapable of comprehending how negative and self aggrandizing it appears.
You are most welcome to seek relief.
Cheers,
Geary
And those comments were not directed at you so once again, mind your own business!Who appointed you moderator?
You also conveniently leave out all the opposing comments of how I am unscientific, arrested thinking, incapable of learning new ideas.
"You are most welcome to seek relief."
Be careful, your profile here is not shielded!
I can easily drag this into other public arenas beyond the reach of this forum.
Lay off! Unless I engage you I wish no further contact with you.
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