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In Reply to: RE: It would help if you actually read that old thread at AR. posted by Pat D on October 16, 2010 at 19:44:30
Mtry didn't provide that *test*. He remained unable to provide any such information. He admitted that he was unable to provide any such detail. He lied. Let's examine your example of a scientifically valid test. Here's the entirety of the scholarly test procedure, gear used and results:
"Ten feet of Radio Shack 14AWG zip cords versus ten-foot $995 Tara Labs speaker cables at DLC Design, an audio consultancy in Michigan"
That's it? Now, go back and tell us the contents of the very next post in that thread. BassNut's was 11. Read 12. Then, tell us if the question raised in that post was ever answered.
rw
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No, mtry did not lie. First, what mtrycrafts said was that tests with expensive cables have been done. I'll link some results below, and I hope you aren't going to pretend you haven't seen the ABX site before.
You maintain DBTs have never been done with expensive cables, yet the refutation of your assertion was in that very thread, in Richard Greene's post.
Second, mtry never said he could not supply any references. He pointed out that he didn't need to do so, since it is up to those who claim there are audible differences to establish it. After all, those null results don't prove a negative(as if we hadn't told you this many times). It doesn't do much good to supply references around as hardly anyone either reads them or bothers to remember they have been given--do you recognize yourself?
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
You're supposed to ASSUME that the test was done with something other than Bose Accoustimass and Yorx electronics, somewhere other than a cave, that the people failed to discern differences, and that there was a test at all! Where's your faith???
The question at issue is whether tests of expensive cables have been done. They have.
Now you want to ask some other questions. Fine. Why don't you ask DLC what was done? But why you are interested in more negative results is a question, since so many think negative results mean nothing.
I'm looking for positive results. There are some, as E-stat keeps telling us, but he doesn't like them.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
Richard claims to have been present at the test he cited. You happen to believe it was a proper test and, however much I may disagree with his audio beliefs, I've always found him to be honest. But see Tony's post above (titled: Evidence?). Your beliefs and my beliefs have no place in the discussion. E-Stat doesn't share the same faith, and there's no reason he should. Richard's claim is nothing more than anecdotal evidence. I would guess that you don't see this because you share the same audio beliefs.
> I'm looking for positive results. <
Not very diligently. The best way to find positive results is to participate in some blind tests, either as a participant or as an observer. It shouldn't take many... as long as you don't insist on comparing two brands of zip cord or two brands of plastic receiver.
rw
And if it is, why? After all this time?
Can accuse you of succumbing to expectation bias, can we? :)
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