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In Reply to: RE: Not what I am saying at all but... posted by Analog Scott on July 20, 2010 at 09:49:09

Did any of the objetivists even understand the point you wre trying to make A.S.? Seems like all they did was attempt to defend their postion and beliefs!

Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)

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Did any of the objetivists even understand the point you wre trying to make A.S.? - Analog Scott 02:37:05 07/22/10 (0)
I think Arny did. But so far none have admitted that they may be cherry picking.Well, no, one person admitted to cherry picking but it seems he didn't realize that he had made such an admission.
You will never convince a skeptic with evidence - Tony Lauck 17:49:12 07/21/10 (4)
The possibilities are:

1. the skeptic says there are no tests showing any evidence
2. the skeptic says the test that is cited was incorrectly conducted, dishonest, or otherwise irrelevant
3. the skeptic says that the test was a statistical fluke
4. the skeptic says that the set of tests were preselected and hence the meta analysis is invalid.
5. ...

999. the skeptics eventually die off and progress ensues.

You can see these possibilities playing out in the threads that were linked above.

Tony Lauck

"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
- The Structure of Scientific Revolutions (Open in New Window)
- You just define skeptic that way. - Pat D 08:26:09 07/22/10 (3)
  You link to Kuhn's The Structure of Scientific Revolutions on Amazon. Kuhn has been very influential, but, of course, has his critics. For example, some have pointed out that rather than some revolutionary change in paradigm initiating discoveries, some discoveries made through normal science initiate revolutions. The discovery of the double helix structure of DNA is an example.
  
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  - http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/thomas-kuhn/#6 (Open in New Window)
  - RE: You just define skeptic that way. - josh358 19:36:24 07/22/10 (0)
    It would seem to be a valid point. But on the other hand, as Schumann remarked, "Genius creates kingdoms, the smaller states of which are again divided by a higher hand among talents, that these may organize details which the former, in its thousand-fold activity, would be unable to perfect." Pretty good statement of Kuhn's philosophy 100 years before he came up with it, no? In any case, this particular criticism of Kuhn seems to me to belong in one of Schumann's smaller states.
  - RE: You just define skeptic that way. - Tony Lauck 10:22:19 07/22/10 (1)
    Thanks for the link. I was not aware of the site, which looks extremely interesting.
    
    I am aware of the debate concerning Kuhn, but I cited his book for the benefit of those who might not be familiar with it, particularly with regard to falsifiability.
    
    In your reference it says, "Kuhn's account argues that resisting falsification is precisely what every disciplinary matrix in science does. Even disciplines that could not claim to be dominated by a settled paradigm but were beset by competing schools with different fundamental ideas could appeal to Kuhn's description of the pre-paradigm state of a science in its infancy. Consequently Kuhn's analysis was popular among those seeking legitimacy as science (and consequently kudos and funding) for their new disciplines."
    
    This is precisely my point. Many of the audio skeptics operate just as described. This is one reason why I would never attempt to collect Randi's $1,000,000 were I to have an experiment that was apparently suitable. I have no doubt that some excuse would be found for either rejecting the experiment up front, sabotaging it so it would fail, or if it apparently succeeded finding an excuse for not paying.
    
    Tony Lauck
    
    "Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
    - RE: You just define skeptic that way. - Pat D 19:19:22 07/22/10 (0)
      The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy is indeed a good site.
      
      Another one is The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, linked below.
      
      I don't think all the articles in them are of equal quality, but then that is par of the course with encyclopedias.
      
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      http://www.iep.utm.edu/ (Open in New Window)

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