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In Reply to: Re: Yes, I have heard 47 Labs and you haven't. posted by Pat D on November 17, 2006 at 07:13:18:
And you get 20 hz out of 'em? What does Stereophile consider full range???As for your subjective opinion of the sound, that's fine - I haven't heard the 47 Labs - and I believe you. Your point about not simply taking a reviewers word is personally brough out by both my respect for Art Dudley's ears on the one hand and on the other hand his embrace of Lowther-based horn loaded loudspeakers which I find to be the most horribly colored and offensive "high end" loudspeakers on the planet. Now do I believe Art loves them? Sure I do, just as I believe HP loves the 47 Labs and just as I believe they did nothing for you. In my case, taking people at the word doesn't mean I agree with them. It only means I believe they hear what they report.
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My sytem does go down to 20 Hz and below but then I have a subwoofer.As for the rest of your post, I think I agree with most of it. People do have different subjective reactions to various pieces of equipment, but that doesn't mean they can actually identify any sonic differences in the equipment. Maybe they can and maybe they can't. Now, Harry Pearson may love the 47 Labs DAC but it remains to be proven whether he can actually hear the difference between it an numerous others. And if he can, JA's measurement may indicate why. He thinks some of the anomalies in its performance may be audible.
Most speakers could be differentiated in a controlled DBT, but even so, knowing what speaker it is tends to have a greater impact on evaluations than the actual sound. Usually, the first thing I read through in Stereophile's speaker reports are the measurements--and I can say the same of speaker reports in Sound & Vision, Soundstage, and Audio Ideas Guide [unfortunately, they all have different ideas as to how to measure and display the results!]. Of course, I might on occasion be looking up something else, such as the price or dimensions, but generally, the first thing I seek are the measurements and the commentary thereon. Certainly, Art Dudley seems to have different tastes in speakers than I do.
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> My sytem does go down to 20 Hz and below but then I have a subwoofer. <I missed the subwoofer fact... and I don't read Stereophile.
> Most speakers could be differentiated in a controlled DBT, but even so, knowing what speaker it is tends to have a greater impact on evaluations than the actual sound. <
The speakers he uses would be easy to pick out from just about anything else. His love of these types of speakers really defines the concept of subjectivism for me. When people claim to be after the same thing in building an audio system and the sounds from different speakers are so diverse, it certainly helps the belief that people hear things differently. And that's why it's NOT hard for me to believe that people hear differences in components that science says they shouldn't. A stretch perhaps... but go listen to some Lowther based speaker systems. If you like your Paradigms (and I thought they sounded good during the brief time I heard them), it might make you wonder as it did me.
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