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In Reply to: Re: Look posted by john curl on October 18, 2006 at 21:33:24:
JC - You are just like a hard core atheist who argues in the front of the churchI've already stated that I don't/would not do that. I have much better things to do with my time. That's exacty why I wouldn't go to TB54's. It is HE who desperately needs me to come to the temple to "Hear the truth".
It's that small bit of self doubt that leads to the need to convert others so that they "believe" as well.
BTW, who is the "us" that I need to leave alone? You speak for everyone here? Do you lead this congregation brother JC?
Voices of dissent not too good for you? Bad news if the flock can think huh? Might lose some "donations" for your products?cheers,
AJ
The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
Follow Ups:
AJinFLA,You have a lot of nerve coming off like I am trying to convert you into purchasing an SET amp or anything else you don't choose to use! You ask Why not just be happy? Why the overwhelming desire to spread "the truth" to the non-believers? You remind me of a child who provokes a dog and when they get bit proclaims I was "only" petting him!
The reality of the situation in case you missed it, is I believe wires influence the sound of an audio system. I prefer tubes to solidstate and I believe "some" of the tweaks being sold work. I also don't personally care if you want to use pro-audio QSC amps, or HK solidstate amps on your DIY speakers. Why should I, I don't have to listen to it, THANK GOD!
So for you question "Why not just be happy?" How can I be happy about a man who responds to my statement of: I can detect when interconnects or speakerwire is changed in my system, with comments about my amp having "euphonic coloration of tubes" or implying my statement is like going see the image of the virgin mary on the side of that building, or I staying up late for Santa, rather than just addressing the comment I made! I find your behavior to be quite offensive, insulting & provoking in nature.
You deliberately provoke me and then when I offer you to come and witness my actually detecting the when interconnects or speakerwire is changed in my system which you feel is akin to see the Virgin Mary or Santa, you decline, go back to your insults & ask me "Why the overwhelming desire to spread "the truth" to the non-believers?" Why? because of your insulting, provokative statements! That's precisely why I offered to demonstrate to YOU my ability to hear what I say I hear.
Yet even after asking me Why not just be happy? You yet again provoke me by stating "BTW, on the odd chance that you hear a real, not imagined difference, replace or repair that faulty cable or component".
So again I say AJinFLA YOU ARE A COWARD, who doesn't want to know the truth. So you can come up with all the fake excuses you want, "euphonic coloration of tubes" I need to replace or repair a faulty cable or component, Mark Levenson amps are defective etc. In the end your just a scared, closed-mined man who's lost all credability in my eyes and I'm sure in many others eyes as well!
The real sad part is you're the only one who suffers for these actions for those ORIONS could sound so much better, with better amps and wires. But you could always borrow Soundminds BSR equalizer and IIRC HK Citation 11 preamp. Then you'd really have an Lunatic Fringe Objectivist dream system!
FYI I haven't ordered the Threaded Mega Feet for the Pioneer yet, because the Pioneer, like your QSC & HK amp, isn't of sufficient quality to merit such an upgrade!
Finally "IF" you really want me to be happy stop acting like a child by insulting me and my equipment (which you've never heard so you have no idea what level of "euphonic coloration of tubes" it does or doesn't have) and actually address the comments I make like an adult would. No one says you have to agree with them, but at least let them be what you comment on. Not all this other crap and then wonder why I respond like I do to you!
The threshold for proving something is higher than the threshold for denying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of AJinFLA's Lunatic Fringe Objectivist bullshit! -- TS
Thetubeguy1954
TB54 - You have a lot of nerve coming off like I am trying to convert you into purchasing an SET amp or anything else you don't choose to use!Purchasing? See how I quoted you above. Would you mind quoting exactly what I said instead of what I "tried" to say? If you haven't notice, I generally don't mince words.
TB54 - The reality of the situation in case you missed it, is I believe wires influence the sound of an audio system.
Once again, would you please quote me where I said there are no differences in wires or amps? On the contrary, I have said cables and amps *can* be made to sound quite different deliberately (to be sold to those who enjoy colorations) or inadvertently by things like poor speaker or component design.
TB - I prefer tubes to solidstate
Terrific, I prefer solid state to tubes.
TB54 - and I believe "some" of the tweaks being sold work.Ok. So you are only partly illogical. Fractionally irrational. Great. Good job, its a start.
TB54 - I also don't personally care if you want to use pro-audio QSC amps, or HK solidstate amps on your DIY speakers. Why should I, I don't have to listen to it, THANK GOD!
Which one? The wires measure equal but sound different God? The Brass Feet Holy Spirit? The Analog Angels? The Fluoride Fairy? Thank who?
TB54 - So for you question "Why not just be happy?" How can I be happy about a man who responds to my statement of: I can detect when interconnects or speakerwire is changed in my system, with comments about my amp having "euphonic coloration of tubes" or implying my statement is like going see the image of the virgin mary on the side of that building, or I staying up late for Santa, rather than just addressing the comment I made! I find your behavior to be quite offensive, insulting & provoking in nature.
I meant "Why not just be happy" with your *systems sound*. If it pleases you, what the heck does it matter what statements I make. Stop letting self doubt creep in because of what I say.
TB54 - You deliberately provoke me and then when I offer you to come and witness my actually detecting the when interconnects or speakerwire is changed in my system which you feel is akin to see the Virgin Mary or Santa, you decline, go back to your insults & ask me "Why the overwhelming desire to spread "the truth" to the non-believers?" Why? because of your insulting, provokative statements! That's precisely why I offered to demonstrate to YOU my ability to hear what I say I hear.
Now, exactly how were you planning to demonstrate to *me* that *you* are hearing differences? Pray tell.
TB54 - Yet even after asking me Why not just be happy? You yet again provoke me by stating "BTW, on the odd chance that you hear a real, not imagined difference, replace or repair that faulty cable or component".
Provoke? I stand by that advice to anyone.
TB54 - So again I say AJinFLA YOU ARE A COWARD
Well, the truth is that I have a fear of clowns. And carneys. Those people really bother me.
OTOH angry, self doubting religious zealots don't scare me. It's more amusement than fear.TB54 - who doesn't want to know the truth.
Yeah, that's why I stay away from chuch too.
TB54 - So you can come up with all the fake excuses you want, "euphonic coloration of tubes" I need to replace or repair a faulty cable or component, Mark Levenson amps are defective etc. In the end your just a scared, closed-mined man who's lost all credability in my eyes and I'm sure in many others eyes as well!
I don't need excuses to not go to church, go see people bend spoons, go see Mary on a building window, or go sit and "witness" someone believing to hear differences in wires that measure the same. I just don't have time for that crap. I have a happy, fulfilling life. I drink beer and watch football. I chase women. I listen to live music on the weekends. In other words, *better*, more constructive(to me) and enjoyable things to do with my time.
I'd suggest you do the same instead of foaming at the mouth over the enjoyment of *your* music system and proving hearing imagination.TB54 - The real sad part is you're the only one who suffers for these actions for those ORIONS could sound so much better, with better amps and wires. But you could always borrow Soundminds BSR equalizer and IIRC HK Citation 11 preamp. Then you'd really have an Lunatic Fringe Objectivist dream system!
Have you written Linkwitz with these wonderful suggestions? I'm sure he'd love hear such brilliant ideas. Him and that Geddes fellow just can't seem to figure this stuff out themselves. Too ignorant I imagine.
TB54 - FYI I haven't ordered the Threaded Mega Feet for the Pioneer yet, because the Pioneer, like your QSC & HK amp, isn't of sufficient quality to merit such an upgrade!
Shame. It doesn't seem to suggest that prerequisite in the ad.
"The Megas' are ridiculously big and they cost a lot—though much less than exotic rollers, magnetic suspensions or air suspensions. But the improvement in bass, midrange and treble over any of the famous mountings is not subtle."
Perhaps you could write the good Doctor to have this remedied.
I wonder if it's like Voodoo, where it only affects certain minds?TB54 - Finally "IF" you really want me to be happy stop acting like a child by insulting me and my equipment (which you've never heard so you have no idea what level of "euphonic coloration of tubes" it does or doesn't have) and actually address the comments I make like an adult would. No one says you have to agree with them, but at least let them be what you comment on. Not all this other crap and then wonder why I respond like I do to you!
I do want you to be happy. Take a few, slow deep breaths. I can't imagine how someone so sure of how good their rig sounds could be so insulted by mere words. My words can't change the sound right? Are you starting to wonder just slightly what a powerful, dynamic driver open baffle speaker might do to your system instead of Norse God wires, brass feet and other such rubbish? I don't :-).
TB54 - The threshold for proving something is higher than the threshold for denying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of AJinFLA's Lunatic Fringe Objectivist bullshit! -- TS
Thetubeguy1954
You're no Softky. That's for sure :-).
cheers,
AJ
The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
AJinFLA you state so innocently I can't imagine how someone so sure of how good their rig sounds could be so insulted by mere words. My words can't change the sound right?To which I respond you are correct for once, you cannot (THANK GOD) change the sound of my system with your words. However you can and deliberately do provoke me with your words! You see AJinFLA instead of reading my post and responding with why you disagree with MY OPINIONS, like a rational, intelligent person would, you prefer to embellish your responses with insults of me and my equipment.
So allow me to ask you a question AJinFLA. Why can't you act like an adult & simply respond to what I post and state why you disagree with it, like I can assure you, you would were we face to face? Why do you feel the need to constantly insult me or my equipment? What would be the purpose of such actions except to provoke me?
Your behaviour is exactly like that of a child who torments a dog and then runs home crying after he gets bit and claims "I was only petting the dog!"
Seeing as we both live fairly close in FL and your actions serve no purpose except to provoke me, why not meet me face-to face? That way you can provoke me realtime & not when not protected by the anonymity of a moniker on a computer! Me, thetubeguy1954? I'm Tom Scata in Orlando, Fl. Who are you AJinFla? I believe you are the coward I said you were when I offered to PROVIDE PROOF that different wires can be detected by myself.
Now I'm also willing to provide you proof that your insults are something you'd only do protected by the anonymity of a moniker on a computer! Of course I'm sure you'll decline to be shown this proof as well.
Thetubeguy1954
Take it easy old man before you have a stroke or something LOL. Calm yourself, maybe go listen to the soothing sound of your stereo?
Look, there is nothing wrong with having the condition you have. But it may be best to go seek some professional help for your delusions and anger all at once. That stuff can't be healthy for you.
Start with the anger part and then maybe slowly work away the over imagination stuff.
There are trained experts who can help with those who both see and/or hear ghosts and voices, etc.
Get help before it's not too late man, you need it. Sincerely. You'll be a happier man and audiophile for it. Take care.
cheers,AJ
The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
AJinFLA,Still feeling brave hiding behind your keyboard? Still choosing to provoke me with words and insults, i.e. "go seek some professional help for your delusions and anger all at once."
Go ahead AJinFLA keep prodding the pitbull with the stick, but when the day arrives that the dog gets off the chain and happens to find you, don't go running home crying "I was only petting the dog!"
As I said before we both live fairly close in FL and your actions serve no purpose except to provoke me, so why not meet me face-to face? That way you can provoke me realtime & not when not protected by the anonymity of a moniker on a computer! I told you before I am Tom Scata aka thetubeguy1954 in Orlando, Fl. Who and where are you AJinFla?
When the day comes and you change from a taunting little girl to a man with the balls large enough to say to my face what you'll say when protected by the anonymity of a moniker on a computer, call me! FYI my blood pressure is fine. I happen to believe that REAL MEN won't say anything about a person they wouldn't say directly to that person's face. I was assuming, perhaps mistakenly you were a REAL MAN and wanted to offer you the possibility! But as I said before we live fairly close. I also know members of the neighboring Space Coast Audio Society. I'll just wait till the day comes when someone in one of these groups or an audio salon talks about this local guy using ORION speakers powered by QSC amps : ^)
I know there aren't to many people around with that combo and the intials AJ.Good Luck!
Thetubeguy1954
Any chance you would have what it takes to Google "transactional analysis", have a good read and start to gain some insight into what happens here repeatedly in such threads.In shorthand: (YOU means everyone in this situation, not just TTG)
No-one is responsible for your anger, feelings or hurts except YOU.
Others may say things which result in you feeling angry. They did not MAKE you angry (hurt, ashamed, etc), you allowed it to.
we are all responsible for how WE feel, act and respond. As adults.
Probably a waste of time, but ..............
Clifff,You are correct! That in itself is an amazing thing YOU can mean you-all(usteds in spanish) or you-personal(tu) However being an American citizen, born & raised, I do speak english and know when the word you is being used either way and it's not always refering to everyone in this situation. I don't know why you'd even bring that up, but oh well.
How typical of you to feel the need to insult me with these comments:
1)Any chance you would have what it takes to Google "transactional analysis"
2)Probably a waste of time, but ..............Rather than just make your point! It's about what I expect from a limey, plonker like yourself! I guess if those words bother you Cliffff, no-one is responsible for your anger, feelings or hurts except YOU. You ignorant POS.
Any idiot knows that no-one is responsible for your anger, feelings or hurts except yourself. I agree when others say things which result in you feeling angry. They did not MAKE you angry (hurt, ashamed, etc), you allowed it to. Afterall we are all responsible for how WE feel, act and respond. As adults.
But if you took your British head out of your as* you'd also realize that when someone informs you your actions are insulting & offensive to them. Then as an adult who's responsible for how they act & respond, to continue such deliberate acts of provocation with this person makes YOU responsible for: 1) how YOU acted as an adult and 2) how others response to YOUR offensive actions as an adult!
For Example: As an adult if someone walked into an area where many African-Americans were standing and shouted out the N-Word, wouldn't you feel after this person got their as* kicked, that as an adult they were: 1) responsible for how THEY acted as an adult and 2) how the others responsed to THEIR deliberate offensive act? I know I wouldn't feel sorry for that fool, not one bit!
As I've said numerous times here. People can disagree with all my opinions if they so choose. But disagreeing with my opinions doesn't entitle them to a FREE PASS at insulting me and my choices in life. The funny part is we never know what is going to insult who (that's why I tell others when I find their actions insulting.) For Example: I am Sicilian. You can call me WOP, Guinea, Grease-Ball, etc, I don't take offense at all by these names, many of my cousins would react the way African-Americans do to the N-Word.
Sorry to disagree with your line-of-thinking here, but as adults I believe we are responsible for the words we speak to others. We are even MORE responsible as adults when we know the other person finds our words hurtful or insulting. I'll grant you that we are also responsible as adults for the power we give others words, but you have to admit that had the man in the scenerio above never said the N-Word, he would have never gotten his as* kicked either. So I believe ultimately the responsibilty lies with person speaking the words.
I apologize for calling you a limey, plonker I was attempting to show you how words can be deliberatly offensive. Maybe you're like me or maybe like my cousins, I won't know until you tell me. I'm trying to really educate you in this matter, but it is probably a great waste of time, still I tried..............
Thetubeguy1954
Amongst all the other insults.Very sad, TG, very sad.
Do try and do something about the anger and invective. It is VERY unhealthy for you.
Clifff I told you the insults were done just to show you how deliberately provoking with words has some power even if we wished it didn't!That's whats being done to me and you told "get over it" in so many words, so why do my insults bother you?
Thetubeguy1954
Most of his allegations against other people are just projections of his own faults on to others.
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"Nature loves to hide."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)
T
TG54,Do you realize that by displaying such anger and animosity over mere words typed on a computer screen, you are proving exactly what I have been saying? I say that subjectivism is illogic and irrationality and you say no, no, no and then do what? Did you understand that I knew precisely how an illogical and irrational person would react when I typed what I did? (You know the jihadists and the inquisitionists couldn't/can't think rationally either)
The lashing out at folks like me or any of the other objectivists merely serves to prove a point. Calm yourself and think for a moment. If you can.
I'll bet that they offer a logic class at your local university (it was part of the curriculum when I was in Electrical Engineering college and I'm sure it still is). Try enrolling in at least that, if not some of the actual Physics, Mathematics, Chemistry and other core classes so that you can start to come to grips with reality and begin to realize why all of this imaginary stuff looks so foolish (A psychology class might also be useful).
I think it really may help with your anger and possibly ease some of the anguish and doubt about why things sound the way they do. It's never too late.
cheers,AJ
BTW, I keep telling you my speakers are not Orions, although they certainly share that platform. If I ever get over to the Space Coast, I will be sure to invite you to come hear what a real stereo sounds like, with distortion intentionally removed from every facet of the system, from the drivers back to the source, with nary a magicians prop like brass feet or deity wires, etc.
The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
Well if they're not Orions how do I know they are any good? I've only heard 2 DIY speakers that didn't stink like a skunks behind.As far as anger, I haven't threatened you. I am only offering you the opportunity to be a MAN, and not some opinionanted SOB hiding behind the moniker of his PC. I find you a very offensive person, who apparently cannot discuss or debate intelligently with someone who doesn't share your POV. Instead you insult them and their choices in life.
I've told you, people who behave like you are the kind that tortures animals, but be careful, because every now and then the animal bites back! I'm trying to help you, not hurt you.
Thetubeguy1954
Keep up the good work TG54, the more stuff like that you elicit from THEM (The High-End Maladroits), the easier it becomes to see their abandonment of reason and collegiality, their yielding to testy temper tantrums.clark
Clark,Even more ridiculous was AJinFLA supposed "defense" of: "Am I nut's not to like the euphonic coloration of tubes?" Who said AJinFLA had to like how my system sounded? The invite was to prove I could hear differences in interconnects and speakerwire. One doesn't need to like how my system sounds or be "converted" to tubes in order to witness a test!
You would think AJinFLA would jump at the chance to disprove me and be able to post that information here. In fact I would think it would be rather difficult for me to detect the differences in interconnects and speakerwire due to "euphonic coloration of tubes" distorting the signal in my system, "IF" AJinFLA is correct in his assessment of it!
AJinFLA through many insults and provocations wants to be able to spout his Lunatic Fringe Objectivists religous beliefs that interconnects and speakerwire sound the same. Yet we Subjectivists cannot respond without be told to calm down. I wonder why AJinFLA cannot just be happy? Why does AJinFLA have the overwhelming desire to spread "his truth" to us non-believing Subjectivists?
Of course like the rest of the Lunatic Fringe Objectivists here on AA, AJinFLA always carries his Official Objectivist Trump Card, i.e. if the differences heard are real and not imagined, there's a faulty cable or component that needs to be replaced or repaired (I guess being able to divine these things WITHOUT testing is a part of the Lunatic Fringe Objectivists religions faith.)
Of course I think AJinFLA's comment about the Mark Levenson ML-2 power amps "...(yes, I consider the amps like the ML's you liked, with its deliberately equalized response, to be defective)." While owning and using QSC & Harmon Kardon solidstate power amps as references is perhaps the best insight into his actual poor hearing acuity and lack of familiarity with live music.
The threshold for proving something is higher than the threshold for denying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of AJinFLA's Lunatic Fringe Objectivist bullshit - TS
Thetubeguy1954
ML-2 amps are equalized? Since, I had something to do with that design, I would like to know what Mark changed to 'equalize' them. I might learn something new, here. ;-)
Go for it John, I'm dying to see if he listened or tested the ML-2s.Thetubeguy1954
His character type is to sit at the keyboard and pound out insults, rather than collegially and congenially visit with us, in person or otherwise.clark
We already know that AJinFLA is afraid that he might be converted! It's so much easier to berate, insult, mislead & critic like AJinFLA does, than it is to actually have something proven to him.AJinFLA's makes the ridiculous equation that hearing differences in wires is the equal of waiting up for Santa or seeing the Virgin Mary in a piece of glass. Perhaps his even more ludicrous defense of: "Am I nut's not to like the euphonic coloration of tubes?" Is seen as an assinine statement to make considering he's never heard my system, so how does he know whether there is or isn't euphonic coloration of tubes present?
I'd also like to know how disliking the sound of my system prevents him from witnessing whether or not I can detect when different interconnects or speakerwire are in my system? Hopefully the real truth that AJinFLA doesn't want to know if I can actually detect when different interconnects or speakerwire are in my system is plain for all to see!
AJinFLA just wants to argue & espouse his Lunatic Fringe Objectivist statements than discover the real truth about whether or not I can detect when different interconnects or speakerwire are in my system. Otherwise if AJinFLA did come over and I PROVED I can detect when different interconnects or speakerwire are in my system he'd have nothing to write about on A.A. anymore. That's probably what he's most afraid of most! It would kill him not to be able to insult and berate us Subjectivists. Afterall look at his posts, AJinFLA spend more time insulting a persons beliefs and berating their components than he does responding to their actual comments.
To be honest I don't think AJinFLA cares one way or the other. He prefers being a troll who starts the flames...
Thetubeguy1954
Are they all so afraid of having their beliefs tested? When the proof is right in front of their noses, do they all turn a blind eye towards it? Do they all spend a lot of time not only espousing their own beliefs but putting down those of dissenters without bothering to try and understand the other side? When someone offers to (attempt to) show them they are wrong, do they all run away? Do they all talk the talk about needing proof but can't walk the walk? Do they all do this? Or is it just you?You make a lot of funny comments on this board. That's great. Funny people are fun to be around. I'm just wondering if we should take you seriously and, if you truly represent Objectivists, if we should take THEM seriously. Just asking. Tubeguy has offered to expand your learning and your experience and perhaps put your strong beliefs to the test. He could do it himself but who would believe him? Or maybe the objectivist POV is simply to argue religion, and proof against their religion would spoil the fun. I ask again - do we simply view you as a comedian or do we ever take you seriously?
Perhaps it's the rampant imagination of subjectivists that cause them to read what is not written much like hearing what they want to hear. Unless you can quote where I claimed to represent anyone or everyone else.
Kerr? My quote?Why do subjectivist run way from ABX tests when there are "Not subtle" differences in wires, stones, brass, etc? Are they all cowards? Is it because of the humiliation of all such previous tests, of which there are a GREAT many?
Why do weak minds falter under such simple tests? Where do all those very, very clear differences disappear to? The exits, like all the subjectivists?
I can tell the difference between my speakers and TB54's, blindfolded, standing on a plank above a pool of sharks. Yet you can't hear the difference between wires sitting in an easy chair doing an ABX.
Gee, I wonder why this is LOL.cheers,
AJ
The threshold for disproving something is higher than the threshold for saying it, which is a recipe for the accumulation of bullshit - Softky
> Perhaps it's the rampant imagination of subjectivists that cause them to read what is not written much like hearing what they want to hear. <Touche for objectivists... oops, I mean you!
> Unless you can quote where I claimed to represent anyone or everyone else. <
I cannot - which is why I "asked" you if you represented them.
> Why do subjectivist run way from ABX tests when there are "Not subtle" differences in wires, stones, brass, etc? <
I don't know. I've performed several.
> Yet you can't hear the difference between wires sitting in an easy chair doing an ABX. <
Who says I can't? Who says Tubeguy can't? Only those who won't allow him to present firsthand proof. Nice, safe assumption, AJ. You're obviously enamored of it since you're holding onto it so tightly. Enjoy.
c
I'd like to know who is willing to stop by Tubeguy's house for some proof the next time they're in Florida and who's all bluster.Hmmm... perhaps you're right. Perhaps I DO know the answer.
z
Kerr,Probably the 3 biggest and loudest critics of wires here are AJinFLA, RBG, Pat D (although Pat D will claim he doesn't believe ALL wires sound the same, he'll deny anyone can detect 3ft interconnects and/or 8ft speakerwire, which is essentially ALL wires for audiophiles, "IF" the components are functioning properly.)
To this Objectivist Lunatic Fringe you're a wire wacko, or in the same boat with those who still believe in Santa or the Virgin Mary appearing on building sides, if you state that wires are critical components of an audio system.
I've offered to Pat D, RBG and AJinFLA to provide proof I can detect differences in wires in my system. Why my system? Because I am intimately familar with it! I can understand Pat D and RBG not wanting to come to Florida just to witness this, but AJinFLA actually lives fairly close to me. Yet when I make the same offer to AJinFLA he responds with comments like:
1) Why not just be happy?
2) Why the overwhelming desire to spread "the truth" to the non-believers?
3) Must you convert as many others as you can to satisfy your self doubt?
4) If you are confident and assured of what you believe is real, not imagined, why do you have to prove anything? The folks who see the image of Mary on the side of a building can't be convinced otherwise, can they?
5) BTW, on the odd chance that you hear a real, not imagined difference, replace or repair that faulty cable or component.So YES Kerr the Objectivist Lunatic Fringe of which these three are charter members, but NOT all Objectivists, will continue to rant, argue, insult and provoke, those who believe wires are critical components. But the moment they're directly challenged they come up with a myriad of reasons why they don't want to witness the PROOF that can be provided! At least now people are starting to see these Lunatic Fringe Objectivists for what they truly are.
Thetubeguy1954
Thetubguy1954
> But the moment they're directly challenged they come up with a myriad of reasons why they don't want to witness the PROOF that can be provided! <I find that disconcerting, to say the least! From practically the time that I did my very first upgrade of a non-speaker audio component, I've heard screams for proof of cables, amps, preamps, CDP's, etc - that one sounded different from another. I felt no need to provide such proof because I did not care if anyone believed me. But I truly believed that they actually wanted the proof they were screaming for, and weren't just screaming just to be argumentative. I guess I was wrong about that. If you had performed DBT's on your own gear and passed, not one objectivist would likely be convinced. But you, sir, offered to prove to not only witnesses but the very objectivists that doubt you that you can hear these differences. I can't imagine what else you could be expected to do.
And if I didn't live so far away, I'd bring the feedbag and the cooler down to your place, just to hear your system, had you offered. And I don't even NEED proof! :)
Kerr,If you are ever visiting Orlando, Fla. send me an email and we'll make arrangements for you to hear the system! : ^)
Thetubeguy1954
...was this a spoof on the old "Northeast Airlines" ads from the '60s where a guy named "Jim Dooley" would say "Come on down on Northeast Airlines"?. I remember freezing my ass off in Philly, seeing that guy in Florida saying that. Pretty effective ad.
Good catch Andy_C. It was both, a spoof on the ad and a genuine invite.Thetubeguy1954
You're a prince among men! Not sure when I'll be in Orlando but I'll be sure to look you up.I'd also like to comment that you certainly have struck an interesting topic here. I've learned a little about the objectivist POV and my eyes have been opened a bit. I'm not sure I'm really interested in arguing the topic of cable/amp sonics anymore as it seems to be one of those things that will never get resolved. I had hope for awhile but I guess it really doesn't matter as long as we are all getting what we need from our systems. Thanks for standing firm on your offer to prove what subjectivists have known for decades.
Kerr,You are absolutely 100% correct. Arguing the topic of cable/amp sonics will never get resolved. As Objectivists believe there's no audible difference and Subjectvists believe there are audible differences, I don't see why RBG, AJinFLA and sometimes Pat D need to constantly critisize us. Why not just allow us Subjectvists to believe what we believe as the Objectivists believe what they want to believe?
When I state I hear differences in interconnects and speakerwire I am NOT claiming every can or needs to. I'm only declaring what I know to be 100% truth, I can, period! However the Lunatic Fringe Objectivists here won't even allow me to make the statement, without berating my equipment and insulting me. If you watch you'll see it's them who won't allow, live and let live, not me.
Thetubeguy1954
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