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In Reply to: Re: Hey JC..what is " vector stimulus on the VI space."..do you know? posted by john curl on August 23, 2006 at 12:06:45:
JC: ""
Another $25 word or phrase in order to impress the locals? ""Nope. You seem hung up on impressing people. That is not my problem, but yours..
Good thing you asked for an explanation. It is of course, something that YOU as a designer, should be aware of. Guess since you don't know the words, I'll explain..
All power amplifiers operate in four quadrants..two are pure resistive, pos voltage, pos current, neg v and neg I.. quads 1 and 3.
All power amplifiers have to operate in the other two quads, as reactive loads force that. Pos drive, neg current.and versa visa...this is the SOA issue of course.
If you draw the VI space, with voltage as the horizontal axis, and current as the vertical, you see that a resistive load crosses zero, and travels in 1 and 3.
Use of some fancy shmancy test waveform that is entirely uncontrolled, needs the load to push the output into 2 or 4. There is absolutely no control here..IOW, anarchy.
By using two ARB generators, it is trivial to force the out into quad 2 and 4, and it is easy as pie to force the amp from one location on the VI plane, to another. Select the starting point, say quadrant 1 500 watts into 4 ohms, then force the arbs to move the output to another location in VI space. THAT is a vector move, where you have a direction from point 1 to point 2.If you choose to, you can force the positive pass transistors into heavy dissipation in quad 1 via the amps input, then quickly push the amp into quad 2 by the second arb forcing the outputs.
You can preset dissipation, dwell, whatever, and then move (vector) to another position in space. And you can even work the first arb during or after the vector move, to see how long it takes the DUT amp to recover from the vector move. The moves can be any rate desired, they can be sines, whatever..
It tests everything JR alludes to, and it does it fast, repeatable, and accurately. Accuracy being the key.
Obviously, you've never worked with automatic test and data aquisition, have you?.. It can be hairy, I will admit, but with a coupla arbs and a pc, it can produce some excellent tests that would otherwise be impossible. As a designer of amps, I would have thought you knew about this stuff..guess I was wrong..
BTW..by using this setup with rudimentary programming, you can find the line haversine coupling, the ripple coupling, and the pos/neg rail coupling to the feedback divider.. Easy..
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Jneutron, you use big words to describe what we real designers already know. Why you would quibble with us over it is my question.
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jc: ""
Jneutron, you use big words to describe what we real designers already know. Why you would quibble with us over it is my question.""
Big words you apparently had no knowledge of.You crack me up.
Explain to us why a test setup that is consistent with anarchy is better than a controlled one?
Hmm? I would enjoy seeing some semblance of technical disscussion out of you.
Clearly, you are unable.
Go go back to your bench and swap resistors out claiming one sounds better than the other, go find a different color wire and tell us why it sounds better, or why one solder sounds better.
Meanwhile, others will apply knowledge to the problem..
You are welcome to ask questions, I'll answer as best I can. But don't think that we believe you understand. That is in your mind.
Give it a break! Jneutron. Vector space: You mean the 2 d graph in 4 quadrants? Please help me with this! VI : This couldn't be Voltage (V) times Currrent (I) could it?
Oh please let it be! That is better than tree sloth brain research or pinpoint locations in visual or acoustic space, which is equally represented by your phrase. Look it up! Now, who is being dorky?
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It would be interesting to engage you in a discussion of damping factor in 5-d space.. You would learn quite a bit, maybe..
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