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In Reply to: Actually... posted by Jim Austin on June 22, 2005 at 10:53:11:

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Good for you Norm... - Jim Austin 06:03:50 06/23/05 (3)
It's a good idea not to trust what I say or hear. The next step, I'd say, is to become a little more skeptical about YOUR OWN perceptions.
But, no, I don't expect you to care about that either.
Be Well,
Jim Austin
- Actually, Jim, it was your illogical offering in Stereophile that causes me to disregard your offerings. - Norm 06:30:14 06/23/05 (2)
  You blatantly state that some components need not have their method of functioning assessed, and did so on the basis of your authority. I agree with John Curl that our understanding of electronics and what affects sound, does not allow us to say with certainty how and what will affect sound. Certainly the scientific method, if it is to be applied to stereo, recognizes no authorities.
  Certainly, your trite comment that we trust our ears but not yours is not worth criticism. I know my suggestion that Klaus apparently does not trust his ears was the basis of your retort, but it is true that rather than going by what he hears, he wants proof.
  - It's not illogical... - Jim Austin 08:19:24 06/23/05 (1)
    There's a big difference between the influence of, say, a capacitor, for which there may be no established explanation but for which feasible explanations aren't that hard to come by, and something that, if it works, defies the most basic principles of science. Even Bybee filters--another product where the explanation given by the manufacturer is pseudoscientific nonsense--are in the signal path, so it's not too surprising that they affect the sound, maybe even to improve it.
    The chip is in a different class. If it works, it's magic. It doesn't just defy known science; it defies our most basic broadest concepts about how the world works.
    The reason you find my explanations illogical is that they don't fit into one of the simple categories you're used to. I'm neither a pure, "trust your ears no matter what" subjectivist nor a scientistic "it only works if it can ve explained by first-year college physics" fundamentalist. I guess that makes my opinions hard for some folks to grasp.
    Jim
    - No they are easy to grasp - Norm 09:06:03 06/23/05 (0)
      If you don't understand, you expect others to support your views, for some reason. I, on the other hand, cannot understand why some think that those that hear a difference should care what those who don't say. It is not the simple subjectivist/objectivist classification. It is the "I am a scientist and can tell you that you are delusional" versus "I hear a benefit and therefore will use the component" categorization.

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