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In Reply to: RE: In defense of the Juli@... and what looks to be the best currently available alternative posted by GStew on October 13, 2011 at 17:50:50
Thanks for the help.
I have not compared the two though it would be easy enough.
As soon as I get something working I find myself more interested in listening than playing further.
Have you tried using JULI@ without CONTROLLER installed? That would be useful since it is totally useless when one is using the LUCY Latency thing.
Knowing how Dave has incorporated galvanic isolation with the SPDIF input I would be surprised if the HDMI approach does not offer this also, but I have no idea. I will ask him.
I started out with USB and found JULI@ a revelation so I am hesitant to go back to USB. If someone I trust says it is great, THEN that's another story; I am not going to give it a try until then.
My JULI@ sounds fine for the moment. I worry about its future. The price cannot be beat. I see them now for $125.00. I think I paid more for my first one.
Follow Ups:
Rick,Sorry, I think I gave two wrong impressions.
First, I do think I2S is the better way to connect to a Juli@ as long as you do it right... either a short connection or using K&K's setup as you are. SPDIF has to go through additional devices and processing to get out of the Juli@ & of course, goes through a conversion back to I2S at the input of most DACs.
I do agree with you that Theob's I2S setup was likely not optimal.
Second, I was only assuming that the Juli@ Control Panel would not run after one got far enough into the Steppe Windows Slimming-down... and Theob corrected me in that he has gotten through Steppe 16 and still could access the Juli@ Control Panel.
Then on galvanic isolation with the K&K I2S connection, while the connection circuits are NOT isolated, the RAKK DAC's I2S input IS. This is from pages 6&7 of the manual... and it has some additional grounding/isolation information that might be useful, but that I need to digest. I do intend to try isolation on my I2S lines at some point, but I plan to work other areas first including doing additional filtering on the motherboard (Ala JackWong) to reduce the need for that isolation.
And that your setup already has galvanic isolation on the I2S lines MAY mean that you are already getting better sound quality using the Juli@ than the rest of us with lesser DACs.
Finally, while I instinctively like PCI over USB as an interface, I believe that any number of recent USB interfaces, especially with some modifications, will work well. And as at least two people have commented, they found the EXAU21 a significant improvement over their modified Juli@ cards. I still think that the Juli@ can be raised to that level. But I can't discount their impressions.
(And for a very informative set of comments about the relative benefits of different interfaces for getting music out of a computer, read John Swenson's comments in this thread: http://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/t.mpl?f=pcaudio&m=90268. If it doesn't make your head hurt, you are either much smarter than all the rest of us like John appears to be or you just didn't read it closely enough!)
Later!
Greg in Mississippi
Everything matters!
Edits: 10/14/11 10/14/11
Happy you are back into music...what Steppe are you at? I had been using I2S (for about a year) but went back to spdif which I prefer. However I'm sure my I2S implementation was not the best.
I kept screwing around with "cleverness" and then took Junaid's advice and did it the old fashioned way.
Listening to STEPPE 5 last night to get a baseline and tonight I will go further.
Yes, I do think the implementation of I2S you were using was dicey.
I am intrigued by "losing" CONTROLLER. I guess I could give it a try but if Greg has already done the experiment ... I am a little shy of experimentation at the moment!
I wonder if SOUND requires setupapi.dll? If not, and doing without CONTROLLER works, then it would be good to be able to delete setupapi.dll.
I am assuming you had to put that one back, too, to get your system to work?
Let me know.
Bye,
You said: '...I am intrigued by "losing" CONTROLLER. I guess I could give it a try but if Greg has already done the experiment ... I am a little shy of experimentation at the moment!...'
What Controller are you talking about?
You said: '... wonder if SOUND requires setupapi.dll? If not, and doing without CONTROLLER works, then it would be good to be able to delete setupapi.dll.
I am assuming you had to put that one back, too, to get your system to work?...'
I have put setupapi back in yes. I have left Sound and wdmaud.drv out. But wmdaud.sys is in. I believe it sounds better with this combination ims.
So u made a fresh installation of xp, made all optimisations as per cics website, & implemented the batch files getting to steppe 5 ?? I hope u went in this order :-
1. Optimised cMP
2. Steppe2
3. Steppe 3
4. Steppe 4
5. Jolida1
6. Jolida 2
7. Steppe 5...
Is that right ??
Junaid
do you think it would make any difference?
I finally made an image of the cMP Optimized WINDOWS! I will make another of this STEPPE 5 version tonight before going further.
First I deleted the folders you have in Step 1!
Seems to me as long as deletions and registry changes are close to each other it would not make much difference.
Consider xmiprovi which you deleted early on and STEPPE delete almost at the end of his published recommendations AND looking at the files deleted with Serge's and your recommendations compared to BOLD FORTUNE who recommends deleting many of these same files all at once.
Just curious why you think the order, at the beginning, has importance. Towards the end I would tend to agree there is some merit. Just an instinctual assumption. I have no real idea one way or the other!
How far have you proceeded with BF? Have you deleted further files after STEPPE 5?
THANKS!
Well well... I'm in a moment of shock at the moment. Did something that made me realise how deceiving a human notion can get. If I post it here, it would raise a debate, because it's way beyond our expectation. But it's an eye-opener & a wake up call that displays a message that reads " My friend, u r a human, & u r bound to get carried away"...
I know what I've written above would puzzle u as well as others who read this post. But it's about time we get to reality.
In the meantime, I suggest u stick on to step 5, as u already have. I will keep u posted !!
Junaid
I hope I did not say something offensive.
I cannot tell if you are having fun or being serious OR not really responding to my post at all O R have come across something close to "mind-blowing".
Talk about cryptic!
I will try to patiently wait for the explanation.
In the meantime I will make an image of FIVE and play with BF tonight.
Do tell.
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