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In Reply to: RE: cPlay - the open source high-end audio player using ASIO posted by cics on May 05, 2008 at 12:31:58
After numerous attempts to get a good install disk of nLite over the weekend I thought I would give warning that if you want to go with the full STEPPE regimen you will likely find disappointment, as I did.
For all of the attractiveness of eliminating stuff at install, along with the magic of a fifteen minute install and the elimination of many optimization steps, it just will not allow all that is required.
If you go truly minimal, no AWE. If you go with a disk that allows AWE then you run into problems further down the line.
Gave up and just did it the old fashioned way.
Found that one MUST do XPLite when Serge said to because after ocmanage.dll and WBEM folder is deleted it won't work anymore. No big deal you just put them back in. It lets you know what is missing. It does not tell you one of the files it wants is in the WBEM folder. Good to have another machine around.
I did most of my XPLite after the cMP optimizations as an easy way to get WFP disabled and figured it would eliminate a few RED changes even though you still have to look for them just to be sure. I went too far with file and folder deleting before finishing up and found what I said above.
What a way to spend a beautiful weekend!
Follow Ups:
I went all the way to steppe 16 & was truly disappointed with the end result. So I backed out to steppe 5, which as I mentioned earlier, was the most Musical & Balanced overall. Xplite has caused a sure downside thereafter. No step after xplite can get that Balance corrected. Steppe 9 just makes it better of the worst.
I am now following the Xp slimming method by Bold Fortune after steppe 5, & it's in an entire different league altogether. The sound is of a different flavour. I can easily hear an IMPROVEMENT, not just a CHANGE, which the steps 5.5 to 16 did. It's Worth to the core!!! I have just applied the Part 1 of the Bold Fortune's route, & it sounds so seductive & Musical. Wish I had done this earlier.
Xplite.... A big NO !!!
Junaid
> > > "I have just applied the Part 1 of the Bold Fortune's route,"
Did you just apply this part only:-Slimming Down Windows XP PART 1: Temp And Junk Files?
If you had created the batch files for this, would appreciate a copy from you.
Best Regards
My apologies. It was a typo. I meant to say I implemented just the Part 2 of Bold Fortune's xp slimming process. It's " Part2- Disabled services batch files".
This was what I did after restoring my cMp to steppe 5. One can easily sense how progressive the transformation gets from here. It does not alter the balance as xplite does.
I do not intend to move ahead with steppes 6 to 16 till I get done with the slimming process.... And I feel thereafter as well !!!
Junaid
Did you run the system32 Files Disabled Services.bat, and remove in one click, all 435 system32 files, for every Windows Service , or you only remove these Services individually, keeping some of them?
Regards
The Part I implemented consists of the following:-
1) disabling printers & faxes
2) terminating individual services (about 30 of them)
3) removing network connections
4) removing scanners & camera
5) removing schedule cast applet
4) removing 435 system32 files
These alone made a tremendous difference. The above mentioned is just one section of the slimming procedure. There are totally Nine sections in the slimming process.
Junaid
Thanks.
I have Part 2 to 10
2) and 4) are actually the same.
2) allows you a choice of what to delete.
4) is the option of deleting all the services in one go.
Did you delete everything or you kept some of the services?
Regards
I Removed ALL the services in Part 2. In short, i did not omit anything from that Part. This was done after reverting back to steppe 5. I wanted to listen for a few days before i move on to Part 2. As it is, it sounds very promising....
Junaid
Since I am in the midst of trying to find the best foundation for my system I did an install yesterday with a mildly de-contented nLite install disk. It makes for a quick install and has WFP disabled.
I first installed chipset drivers, cMP, cPLAY, JULI@ and a few of the important cMP optimizations.
I went through and did all of the BF deletions. I did pick and choose serivces (and would appreciate knowing which ones you deleted).
Well, I lost CONTROL PANEL and the START button. If I hit the WINDOWS button the menu would appear but with most of the (few) items I had left on the menu still available. Luckily I could access WINDOWS EXPLORER and was able to engage cMP from there. And it still worked and played all night. My computer is not connected to the system so I have no idea what it sounds like. Wanted to get something stable before doing that because access to the computer is cramped when it is installed.
I know this doesn't tell us much but it is interesting.
Also, I am wondering if getting the best out of Serge's regimen is to use the LYNX card? Wish it was not so expensive. The fact that JULI@ seems to need more .dll's than the LYNX is intriguing.
First of all I am unable to understand why do u need to install via nLite ?? Why can't u just do a clean install of xp & disable services according to the cMP website, take a back up & name it step 1. Thereafter u can proceed with whatever u want to. Now that batches 1 to 16 are ready, it's gonna take absolutely no time to work through till part 16 if u wish to.
As for my side, I'm doing a very very critical analysis of various combinations. And I'm very very happy with their outcome. One thing I understand now... There are no hard & fast rules !!! Something that may seem illogical ends up sounding way beyond u expect. Such is what's happening here :-)
Junaid
I am unable to understand why do u need to install via nLite ??
Me neither. As I see it, the problem with programs like nLite and XPLite (although the latter is excellent for disabling WFP) is that they delete we know not what using rules we don't know to configure a system (cMP2) which the programs' authors know nothing about and probably wouldn't understand if they did.
Add to that the fact that, while the process of "slimming" XP is proving sonically very fruitful, no-one taking it forward, not even steppe who started it all by disabling a few codecs back in July and has done very fine work since, is quite sure why it's effective.
On top of that, users have different motherboards and soundcards. I, e.g., have two cMP2 systems, one running on a single-core Atom board, the other on a dual-core Atom one (both controlled via LAN). The boards use exactly the same drivers but a set of batch files that worked fine on one system gave me a "no boot" scenario on the other. Not sure why yet. Mihaylov's list of "network-safe" deletions was not safe on either even if I needed to reinstate only a couple of files.
I don't see any time soon a "royal road" to making this work though Jolida's current and impending batch files seem to offer a robust way of approaching things. It looks like being a slow, systematic process for almost all of us. With respect, neither nLite nor XPLite offers that.
Whatever, it's been fun has it not?
I too had used xplite initially, just to disable wfp. This was when I had started to set up my cMp, following instructions on the cics website. That's it. It did the job very well. But this time, when the same was used in the slimming down process, it proved highly disappointing.
Swapping over to steppe 5, & adopting the Bold Fortune route, was an eye opener. I'm glad things dint work out even after steppe 16, else cMp
Would have carried on with it's journey with a scar on it's face (xplite). No matter what we try to balance it with, it can only be partially masked like a make-up, but could never be healed. With the procedure I have followed now (involving three major steps), I feel I am almost done. Just a bit of fine tuning left. I do not know how the BF route is technically different from xplite. And I don't care to know as well. I'm just glad I'm enlightened at the right time, before things would have gone haywire...
Junaid
Like I said I used the nLite disk just to bypass WFP and to see what would happen with doing all of BF's deletions.
And it loads so quickly.
SO tonight I put on my hair shirt and wait for WINDOWS to load and see what happens. (And grit my teeth while I slog through the WFP disabling)
By the way, I have not received the gift of your batch files containing 1 to 16. When you get the chance I would be most appreciative!
Thanks for your advice.
Oh is it?? I'm sorry. I dint know. Actually I get so many emails everyday for the batches that I don't remember to whom I sent or not. Check Ur email now...
Junaid
steppe 6 is very detail, but I found the sound thin, so I immediately went onto steppe 7 which restored some of the fullness but not much. And the bloom is gone. Reading your post I am now back to steppe 5 and relax.
I am very interested in your experience with BOLD-FORTUNE. Please keep posting.
I was intrigued by this after RYELANDS made mention of it.
I sent the fellow some money and got the batch files so my new install will revolve around Serge's recommendations and BOLD FORTUNE's. Certainly cheaper than XPLite and his "stuff" has explanations of what it does.
I find many of the same files are deleted in both regimens.
I did not have a chance to listen to the XPLit modified installation long before it died but I know I felt I was missing some of the atmosphere I had heard before.
Thanks again for bringing this BACK to my, and our, attention.
This is an unending journey and that keeps it interesting.
I don't understand why I get such a wonderful sound and you guys don't.
Theob,
Im sure u do..!! As i said earlier, MAY BE its subjective. When one attains a stage where he feels that everything sounds Just the way he wants, then he sure has achieved his goal. But even after the huge ordeal of modifications, if one feels that "Something Somewhere is Just NOT Right", then it defeats his purpose. I presume we are of the latter category. Im glad your set-up sounds Good.
You said "I don't understand why I get such a wonderful sound and you guys don't". Its a big statement. You are lucky. I wish i could say that as well. But unfortunately not..
As i once mentioned in one of my posts, NO two systems, even though identical, can sound identical in different surroundings. Much is Boosted or Bucked by our Cabling, Speaker placement, Room Acoustics, Isolation Platforms, Room size, Listening tastes, etc etc...
Likewise, implementing the same set of steppes, may or may not yield a similar benefit. Its a sure possibility that it can sound as a downside as well. Which in our case, it has !!!!
Junaid
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