|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
85.183.20.28
In Reply to: RE: cMP - can't get it to work PROPERLY posted by smicyta on April 04, 2011 at 01:37:43
Hmmm..., o.k., I'll try that. But I don't expect it to make a difference since testing the soundcard's driver itself (i.e. opening its control panel and sending a testtone via provided software buttons at different sample rates) yields correct sound all the time. That must be through the WDM drivers without utilizing ASIO.
In my imagination it could be a bug or inconsistency or misadjustment on the way from the soundcard to ASIO4ALL with ASIO4ALL not picking up the 192kHz-signal (or >44,1kHz signal, i.e. any upsampled signal) correctly, probably because some other device or driver or service prohibits that. But WHAT can it be?
Follow Ups:
Uninstalled and reinstalled soundcard driver and ASIO4ALL - nothing. Still only sound when both set to 44,1kHz.:-(((((
What are they both doing? Is the soundcard driver telling the soundcard to upsample? If yes, what is ASIO4ALL doing then? Bypassing the kernelmixer, okay. But there's a 44,1kHz-type-of-signal from the ripped audio CDs, right? Does it matter if the kernelmixer is bypassed by a 44,1- or a 192kHz stream? Is ASIO4ALL upsampling while bypassing? What is the soundcard's driver doing then?
You can see: I'm not an expert at all! But there's a number of options in the soundcard'd driver options and in the ASIO4ALL options. And none of the switches seems to help. Mostly everything else in the system is strangled and suffocated. Where's the mistake?
Edits: 04/04/11
E,
A couple of suggestions.
SOme screen shots of the asio 4 all panel and the soundcard driver screen and windows soundcard options (control panel/sounds or something like that) might help us spot something.
And from the earlier posts I dont think you SET anything in the soundcard driver or asio 4 all.
At least with the m-audio card I just tested things with CPLAY would automatically change the asio4all settings.
I just installed it and both it and cplay and the m-audio screen said 44. I switched cplay to 176 and both asio 4all and the m-audio screen changed automatically.
Also while cplay is good about notifying you ASIO is kind of weird in that often it wont adjust on the fly. You have to make changes and then exit cplay and then reopen for the changes to take.
Everyone is at a different place in life but IMHO it might be better ditching your card and getting something like a Lynx that is known to work with cmp2. You talk about the card you have and while it does look like a good sounding card, Asio4all is not good sounding and you might be better off with real asio and a juli@. The Lynx is IMHO worth the investment regardless and if it saves you time in figuring this all out, it is IMHO money well spent!!
No one here remembers the bending of our minds
Agree with DR but either the lynx or juli@ (much cheaper in cost)are known soundcards that work fine.
At least I would add an E-MU 1212M, better performance than a Juli@
Hi B,
Even with the bloated creative drivers in the context of a cmp2 build???
No one here remembers the bending of our minds
ASIO is stable, just the Control Panil is slightly confusing. It's a much cleaner card than Juli@.
OK, how about compared to the lynx?
No one here remembers the bending of our minds
Hi Theob, Bibo and Dawnrazor,I've somehow missed this branch of the discussion so far... (wonder why)
But thanks for your suggestions.
I have a 9632 lying at home at the moment, but it's still un-unpacked (30 days money back). Don't know if its a good choice for the money. Comments here on the forum are so-so. There have even been statements like "Juli@ cleans the floor with 9632". On the other hand someone said that the 9632 is " open- and forward-sounding" in the mids (kind of a sonic personality of RME cards), which I like very much. Probably the differences are so subtle that a big investment won't pay off...
EMUs are supposed to be a little complicated in handling (integrating into the system) - no?! But I'm ready to beconme convinced...
I don't want to use an external DAC, which is why Juli@ isn't first choice. Most any Juli@ user here on the forum seems to drive an external DAC with it. But maybe I'm wrong and the analog output sound of the Juli@ is not so bad. Even cics has been cited that the Juli@ were on par with an AES16 (though I don't know if he referred to digital or analog out - but I believe cics is using an external DAC, too).
I'd really like to get my Overture going, but the way is narrowing visibly meanwhile... Will try other free ASIO wrappers the next days.
But I'm still open for hardware suggestions. I don't like my sound too analytic, I rather prefer a live-like sound that jumps at me.EDIT: the status, now that I've unticked "do not map through this device", is that the ASIO4ALL control panel doesn't show its weird misfunction messages any more. BUT: when I use ASIO there is still no assigning of the stereo channels to the driver. That means the information bars in foobar2000 and cPlay still and always show "channel not connected" for right/left channel. I believe that's the crucial point of my soundlessness. I have no idea why it is so and where to change that. In the sounds tab of XP's control panel there's nothing to set in that regard.
Any ideas?
Edits: 04/07/11 04/07/11
E,
The one thing that comes to mind is that we know cplay is 32 bit. Foobar is selectable. I ditched foobar long long ago but take a look at the settings and see if you can set the output to 24 bits. If you can save the settings, exit and see if you can get foobar to play.
Also if you followed the instructions in the cmp2 directions you should have no options in the xp soundcard settings. IIRC there should be no device available since the windows audio service, kmixer, etc are disabled. I didnt see this on the site but I do recall killing the kmixer and I think that was with autoruns.
My documentation was from a time before the cmp2 website existed so maybe things have changed???
No one here remembers the bending of our minds
Hi Dawnrazor, thanks for efforts and your experimental M-Audio installation! The linked switching is interesting - I'm far from that comfort.
After all my testing without the slightest countable results I'm mentally already on my way towards another soundcard (and throw the Overture in some "Bay"...). I only like the idea of this "poor man's approach" that the cMP² project seems to be from a superficial point of view, and I enjoy to build my eqipment myself (did it with the speakers, too - tremendous result sonically!), so I'm trying to avoid costly equipmet. But those who save too much at first pay double in the end...
By a German musicians equipment store (professional guys) a RME 9632 has been recommended to me. Reviews on the net describe it as really, really good sounding, even outperforming DACs below $1k. And it has truly pro driver support. It costs ~$500 in GER (the l22 is ~$1k). But we'll see, maybe I'll even switch to Lynx...
But nevertheless, I'll keep on working on the Overture/ASIO4ALL combo for a little more time and try to send you some screenshots (in case the stripped down XP still makes it).
E,
Ask your store if the RME will work with a cmp2 box :)
If you are looking at the rme do post on the cmp2 thread and see if any inmates can confirm that it works with the recipe.
Your problem is not your soundcard, it is that your soundcard doesnt work well with the cmp2 recipe.
No one here remembers the bending of our minds
Hi Dawnrazor,I totally agree!
Thats why I'm partly trying to roll back the most radical parts of my XP-stripping right now. But since I'm no expert I'm tumbling in the fog a little...Still its hard to accept that despite fairly defined interfaces (WDM <-> ASIO) and explicit claims of compatibility (Cantatis) a flawless talk between the stripped XP, the soundcard + its drivers and ASIO4ALL should not be possible (especially since the soundcard is supposed to be exclusively designed for high level audio reproduction without any of the spare weight of recording capabilities). A sad thing that is... (though: if it doesn't get any worse in life I'll be relaxed ;-))))
Edits: 04/07/11 04/07/11
Post a Followup:
FAQ |
Post a Message! |
Forgot Password? |
|
||||||||||||||
|
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors: