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In Reply to: RE: Please Help a Novice With EAC/FOOBAR. PLEASE. posted by Chopper87@aol.com on June 07, 2009 at 12:34:56
I cannot adaquately thank you guys enough for taking the time to help me here. THANK YOU.
With all the consistant hype about the EAC/Foobar combination, who'd a thunk that it would be such a royal pain to make a simple, organized, well layed out and very easily accessable (one touch) Playlist using this combination.
Hell, Windows media center automatically grabs each cd displaying album cover art and everything immediately when a disc is spun up. I have no doubt that this and other software of it's genre would have NO issues ripping into a beautifully visually organized setup. However, sound quality definitetely takes priority for me and I hear/read that EAC and Foobar at the best.
So, I am relegated to Ripping to; Drive G:\Redbook (folder). Then I must access RED BOOK folder from within FOOBAR. Then there are all of my titles, lined up in alphabetical order next to an open folder icon (for each cd title). I then choose a folder/Title and it opens up to an empty window with only the ALbum/CD title of the folder just opened. Then I double click this Title and YAHOO! the cd's title is displayed on the top console of the Foobar playback window. I must follow this somewhat cumbersome proceedure for each and every cd title that I want to listen to. Eventually the top Foobar Console gets pretty crowded and confusing sinse it does not seem to be set upin any particular order (like alphabetical).
Anyway, I am greatful to have access to great sounding copies on my external hard drive, I just can't believe that the EAC/FOOBAR combination appears to be so organizationally inept.
Thanks again for all your help.
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Chopper.
When you ripped, do you get individual .wavs or one big .wav for the whole album? And in your redbook folder, are there subfolders, or just .wav files?
"When you ripped, do you get individual .wavs or one big .wav for the whole album? And in your redbook folder, are there subfolders, or just .wav files?"
I choose to record via "Action" then "Test & copy selected tracks". I let EAC automatically choose all tracks, which it records individually and numbered. Or, I simply select the WAV pictorial Icon on the left of the window which appears to accomplish the same recording numbered individual tracks. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Ok,
Are these individual files in different folders?
So each album is in its own folder?
IMHO the best way to do it is to use the: ACTION/ Copy image and create cue sheet option.
That should produce a .wav file and a small .cue file.
Let me know when you get that accomplished.
See AFAIK there are just 2 ways to handle .wav files effectively. One is to have individual files in separate folders, or have cue sheets.
Ideally things would be in individual .wavs with cue sheets, not one big .wav and a cue.
If you can get us a pict of your redbook folder. Open the folder and then press CTRL, ALT, and PRT SCR keys all at the same time.
Then open up the paint program and then edit/ copy and you should have a pict of the screen you were on when you hit CTRL, ALT, PRT SCR. Then save this pict.
Make a new post on the asylum and above the post message option is the BROWSE option on the right. Click that and then find your picture.
Then click PREVIEW MESSAGE.
YOu should now see your picture.
DO the same thing with your foobar setup and to add more than one pict, click browse again, find the 2nd picture, and then click preview again. YOu should have 2 picts in the post now.
dawnrazor,
Fantastic and very clear instructions, thank you. I will follow them as soon as I can and start a new post so that it will be easier to find. I hav not listened to recorded music for a while due to my difficulties with EAC and Foobar. So, I have decided to go ahead and finish ripping to the described folders and do a little bit of listening before starting the potential re-working process. I have been impressed with the consistant clean (no break ups,pops,clicks etc...) recordings from EAC so far. However, I have only been listening through my Laptop and cheap monitoring headphones. Time to test the sonics in the big system.
Lance
You have setup problems. The EAC side can be fixed. You probably are just not a candidate for using Foobar.
> I have no doubt that this [Media Center?] and other software of it's genre would have NO
> issues ripping into a beautifully visually organized setup.
> However, sound quality definitetely takes priority for me and I
> hear/read that EAC and Foobar at the best.
My experience comparing files ripped by EAC, dBpoweramp and J.River Media Jukebox/Media Center 12/13 convinced me that they produced the same results. My conclusions were based on comparing the audio streams in the files rather than listening tests. All three have secure ripping modes that work properly.
All of those programs allow you to specify templates for the folder in which ripped files are placed and the file name. This template uses tag values such as [Artist], [Album], [Track Title] or [Track Number]. dBpoweramp and J. River let you use other tags such as [Composer] as well.
For me, the difference is in ease of use
EAC - lots of things to set, poor documentation, lots of 3rd party guides
dBpoweramp - far fewer options, somewhat better documentation, better tag lookup, some support for tags such as [Composer}.
J. River - few options to set, documentation about like dBpoweramp, tag lookup on par with EAC. Excellent support for whatever tags you want to use. Since J.River is an integrated ripper/tag editor and player, when you rip Cds, the files are ready to play.
There may be other programs that can produce the same results but I don't think anyone has done convincing comparisons of EAC to other rippers.
On players: The majority opinion on this forum is that "everything sounds different". Different camps like different players. Pick you camp.
If you pick a player based on objective critera, it gets easier. Some criteria that might matter to you:
can output bit-prefect output
can use the ASIO interface for output
can use the WASAPI exclusive mode interface in Vista for output
can generate and use fixed and smart playlists
can use tags like [Composer] or whatever you want
can provide an album cover based user interface
can provide a browser pane user interface showing lists of values for tags (text based.)
can upsample your audio content in the player s/w.
Has fewer/more options
has good documentation of the options you need to set.
You choose Foobar as your player. That isn't an easy place to start. Look for something with fewer options to set, better documentation and the features you need.
I use J. River MC. Others use Winamp.
Cmp/cplay is popular on this forum. Lots of setup required and a very minimal UI.
Bill
Hello Bill,
What is your opinion of this ripper. Soundquality of course is paramount but ease of use for novice is close second
Thank you
Rafael
> Poikosoft Easy CDDA ?
I have no experience using that program. I looked at it when I was selecting tools several years ago.
I have detailed experience with EAC, dBpoweramp and J. River programs. All have an effective secure ripping mode. They all tell you when they are not successful in ripping a track securely. They are widely used and their performance has been documented by a number of people.
Bill
Bill,
Thnks a bunch for further clarifying this matter for me. Being new at computer audio setup I guess that I was expecting these two "POPULAR" and respected softwares to be more user friendly and to ofer organizational capabilities similar to the Media recorder/player in Windows Vista. Oh boy was I ever wrong. BUT, I will gladly trade visual functionality for sonics every time. So, if I need to (From inside Foobar) choose an album FOLDER then click on the Album file to launch the title and accompanying songs into the final Foobar playback window, so be it.
Or, maybe I'm still doing something wrong?
Thanks guys.
Lance
Bill's advice is very sound and based on *lots* of first-hand experience. The questions raised by the OP come up on a regular basis. Bill has been very patient in advising newbies (including me!), but he'll eventually tire of it.
Maybe the moderators could make a "sticky" or some other kind of archive so that the same advice doesn't have to be given over and over and over and over and....
"Bill's advice is very sound and based on *lots* of first-hand experience. The questions raised by the OP come up on a regular basis. Bill has been very patient in advising newbies (including me!), but he'll eventually tire of it.
Maybe the moderators could make a "sticky" or some other kind of archive so that the same advice doesn't have to be given over and over and over and over and...."
Charles,
I desperately needed and greatly appreciate/appreciated any and all who have taken the time to offer there voices of experience to this potentially very frustrating subject. I believe that those of us with questions should always search this and other pertinant sites for answers prior to posting questions. I had done this and was unable to answer my questions (not even close). Charles, I am sorry if this post has somehow upset you, but
Bill, again, thanks for your wilingness to offer helpful advice. I am confident that your's and other's responses within this post will be VERY VERY helpful to other frustrated biginners searching the archives under this topic.
Lance
I didn't mean to criticize you in any way. This forum started with a unique thread viewer that has advantages and disadvantages. It has now been supplemented with something called e-Threads, which is more like what other forums use. But many people still use the Classic view, whereby threads fall off the map after a few days.
The result is a lot of topics in a lot of forums get re-hashed on a constant basis. Bill's knowledge is good enough that it should be kept alive somewhere. Maybe someone could start a computer audio Wikipedia or something. My point is simply that things on the internet tend to be somewhat ephemeral, and more so here due to the original thread viewer.
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