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In Reply to: RE: Common!!!!! posted by Jonathan Tinn on February 07, 2009 at 11:41:27
You have produced a string of posts devoid of hard facts. Every one makes you seem less credible and your product less likely to be worthwhile.
Bill
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The equipment is designed by Andreas Koch. He is a very sharp and talented designer who worked for several years with Ed Meitner of EMM Labs. The player has received good reports from those who have heard it, and I have no doubts that it is an excellent product.
The problem is that he is a "one man show" and has therefore contracted with an outside company to do his sales and marketing. You can judge for yourself whether or not this was a good decision.
Charles,You appear to be going out of your way to mislead and manipulate people here about things you have no knowledge of. I have tried to email you privately but you will not accept unsolicited emails so I am left to do this publically.
"The equipment is designed by Andreas Koch. He is a very sharp and talented designer who worked for several years with Ed Meitner of EMM Labs."
You have no idea who is or was involved with the design and production of the Playback Designs products. You are making assumptions that may be totally incorrect, partially incorrect or entirely correct. Since you do not know, you should not speak as you do. It is the same as lying.
"The problem is that he is a "one man show" and has therefore contracted with an outside company to do his sales and marketing. You can judge for yourself whether or not this was a good decision."
Again, you state that there is a problem and also what you think that problem is. You also state that he contracted me out. How do you know such things? Would you swear to this as truth if your company and home depended on it? Where do you get your so-called facts? Why don't you acknowledge that you are making all of this up.
Your "compliment" toward Andreas is no such thing. It is a deliberate back door attack on me and you are out of line. Do not talk about my company again and I would suggest you be very careful as you proceed.
Edits: 02/07/09 02/07/09
Okie-dokie, Jonathan.
The problem is that he is a "one man show" and has therefore contracted with an outside company to do his sales and marketing. You can judge for yourself whether or not this was a good decision.
Have you read Andreas' background? He did a hell of a lot more than working "several years with Ed Meitner".
Then you infer that Jonathan did not make a good decision. The same could be said for your decision to license Gordon's doo-dad, no? Not everyone thinks that Gordon is the sole repository of knowledge. There are many paths to digital Nirvana....Gordon's, Jonathan's, and yours being just 3 of them.
Charles said
> > The problem is that he is a "one man show" and has therefore
> > contracted with an outside company to do his sales and marketing.
> > You can judge for yourself whether or not this was a good decision.
Alan replied
> Then you infer that Jonathan did not make a good decision.
I didn't interpret what Charles said to be a slight on the designer. Rather it is a defence of him and the credibility of the product.
The sentences you quoted clearly refer to Andreas's decision to contract out the sales and marketing.
Bill
I appreciate that you "didn't interpret what Charles said to be a slight on the designer", and thank you for stating so. However, to a certain degree, I did. And others might.The sentences you quoted clearly refer to Andreas's decision to contract out the sales and marketing.
Echoing my response to Charles below, how do you know that Andreas "contracted out the sales and marketing"? To be fair, are you privy to Jonathan's and Andreas' business relationship?
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Bill said
> > The sentences you quoted clearly refer to Andreas's decision to contract out the sales and marketing.
Alan said
> Echoing my response to Charles below, how do you know that Andreas
> "contracted out the sales and marketing"? To be fair, are you privy to
> Jonathan's and Andreas' business relationship?
Alan earlier
> Then you infer that Jonathan did not make a good decision. The same
> could be said for your decision to license Gordon's doo-dad, no? Not
> everyone thinks that Gordon is the sole repository of knowledge.
> There are many paths to digital Nirvana....Gordon's, Jonathan's,
> and yours being just 3 of them.
I was simply stating that Charles referred to Andreas's decision to contract out the sales and marketing. You appeared to interpret Charles reference to a decision to be another slight on Andreas and raised the question of Charles licensing Async mode firmware from Gordon.
Charles did not take a position on the wisdom of Andreas's decision to contract out sales and marketing. That isn't a technical decision and has nothing to do with the rightness or wrongness of Andreas's approach.
My remarks clearly do not endorse Charles statement or draw any inference from it. They simply point out that my interpretation of what Charles said.
Bill
I'll try again. Old Listener said that with each of Jonathan Tinn's posts that the product was less likely to be worthwhile.
I was pointing out the fact that Jonathan Tinn did not design the unit. Andreas Koch did, and he is not making these posts.
The Playback Design player is what it is, regardless of whatever is posted about it. In other words, shoot the messenger if you must, but that doesn't mean that the product isn't worthwhile.
you can address 'direct' questions to you, about your prodcuts and/or, you can post to 'clear' up any misinformation about your products.
Engaging in generic, wholesale commentary about products you sell or market, or really engaging in talk about competitors' products is against our rules.
Thanks, Chris
Please re-read this sub-thread.
I am defending the Playback Designs unit as a great piece of equipment made by a talented designer.
Is there really a problem with that? Or is there a different specific post you have a complaint with?
.
absolutely agree.
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