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In Reply to: RE: Advice needed from an iphone expert................... posted by Cut-Throat on May 30, 2017 at 14:51:24
A year ago I jumped into the Apple iOS world and I was horrified for the exact same reason you give. No user access to the file system.
It took some time but I worked around it. The app called transfer is a sort of word around. It has its own internal so you can move files into transfer and then copy from there to other apps.
Another useful trick was to install an sftp server on my windows computer. Transfer can use that, so can the flac player app.
In general I can get files in and out of iOS without iTunes, although I still hate the design. Otoh, I have 3 tablets and I only use the iPad. It's just better in every way and since it's the monster in the tablet world, apps work better in general than their android versions. So yes my next phone may be an iPhone despite iOS.
Oh by the way what drove me to Apple? I had 2 google tablets that failed and google support was so poor that I will probably not buy another google product. If an Apple tablet had hardware failures just out of warranty, it would be in the news and Apple could not just say too bad. Google basically did that.
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I found the jump to iPhone a PITA as far as file handling.
I have all of my business on an SD card on the Palm Treo and I could attach any and many of those files, .pdf, .doc, whatever, to any email I sent.
iPhone is little more than an iPod with a phone built into it while the Palm Treo was a PDA with a phone built into it.
Almost went the Blackberry route when Palm went extinct.
Odd because I hated this aspect of iOS from my first day using it. As a media device, I load the iPad with audio, video, books, pictures, which are all files. This is so trivial on android.
On iOS, I found the fine Transfer app. Using that, i can ftp files into Transfer, then in most cases copy them to the appropriate app. But it's not always clean. Some apps don't communicate with Transfer so you can't do that. It is better for music files to transfer them directly into the flac player app, which has its own ftp support.
In general, I have developed pretty painless ways to get files in and out of iOS. But i still resent the design.
I have learned that some people treat Steve Jobs with a sort of religious reverence and will hear no bad word against any of his design choices. But I think this is a very poor choice. If insulating users from files is so great, why does Apple not do that on the iMac? Nobody would buy one, that's why.
Having said all that, the iPad Pro absolutely oozes quality in a way my 4 android devices do not. The screen is amazing and provides subjectively better experience of photos, video, and reading. I don't know processor specs, but apps run smoothly and quickly. Battery lasts way longer than any of my androids, I can use the iPad heavily and still have some juice at the end of the day, it probably doubles my android battery life. Things just work. I have a great dac and it works seamlessly with any audio I play on the iPad. On android, you need to get a special player that supports digital audio output, and the one I have is kind of a messy program, still a work in progress.
So as I think of a new phone, I am right on the edge of moving from Samsung to Apple, Despite still kind of hating iOS.
I went from paper based Daytimer organizer in a binder to HP 200LX to Palm to Blackberry to iPhone. There are tools available to transfer contacts, email, calendar along the way. Everything was successfully transitioned to my iPhone 4S years ago. I'm on iPhone 6S today.
I have little need for 'file handling' as I don't use my iPhone as a "PC" substitute. However, it does natively handle PDF, Word docs, PowerPoints, Excel spreadsheets, photos, etc. And I have access to any or all of my stuff via iCloud shared seamlessly between our home computers, iPads, iPods, wife's Apple Watch, and our two iPhones.
No complaints! But you do have to take a little time to 'learn it' vs throwing up your arms and clinging to the old 'file handling' ways. ;-)
The Apple environment and ecosytem just works for us.
P.S. I grew up on MS-DOS, Windows, and the "PC" and I couldn't be happier making the move in another direction almost a decade ago.
Only Steve Jobs would have done it that way.
Everyone else put the phone in their PDA, including Microsoft.
... and look where Microsoft stands in the smartphone market. ;-)
was driving down the road with a PDA in one hand and a Motorola Flip Phone in the other saying, "Why can't they be in one device?).
Steve Jobs saw a much larger number of people walking around with MP-3 players, some with NO phone at all, and the rest is, as they say, is HISTORY!
An engineer I used to work with and I had a big bet as to who would win the PDA format war, Palm or Windows.
What do engineers know? :-)
sometimes very little how their customer base uses the products. :)
I have zero need for my phone to be a file management device.
That would be because...
But there was a time when the Palm Treo's file handling ability was a huge issue. I was able to carry most of the companies currently active documents, contracts, proposals, patents, results of clinical trials, everything, on a chip plugged into the phone and to easily receive, edit and attach to email, any of those documents.
And yes, with a bit of work, one can do most of those things with an iPhone and the use of what-was-not-existent-at-the-iPhone's-introduction, the 'cloud'.
Also happy to report that I'm now on my third iPhone and my 'Music' library is still completely EMPTY!
For a bunch of old Geezers y'all sure are smart.
Thankful though all your help with this computer stuff.
I the guy who couldn't get my Raspberry Pi to work without 'phone support' from inmate 'Bullethead'.
I appreciated talking to an elder audiophile.
However all I remember from the conversation was you asking me to give you my Harbeths, lol. I don't remember helping you at all.
My advice to you is to enjoy the 'pen' and check out some Shpongle. Tales from the Inexpressible.
It was worth a try!
Much like the Meridian Explorer 2 DAC, you said you were no longer using them. :-)
I have some bel canto long in the tooth equipment and the Harbeth Compact 7ES3, ready to go for a second system. I just have to get off my chair.
I plan on hooking up an unmodified Sonos connect to the Bel Canto DAC, and call it a day, however I might have to get it modified, I don't think I would be able to deal with a non-modded connect after hearing the Wyred 4 sound connect.
beat the stock SONOS connect in every respect.
And cheaper as well.
yes! I forgot about the RPi after I was done with it, I'll just hook that up instead.
Not bad at all...
Could maybe be better with the right drugs.
Might have to make a few phone calls.
Oh, and the Pi is now 'rockin' a new iFi iPower switching wall wart pictured above.
Thinking it might be better than the 24,000 mAh battery I was using before.
that's the one I have. I was all done with the RPi experiment a few months ago, it does sound fantastic. If I was to compare to Sonos modded, probably the same or a tad bit better, that is the RPi compared to the Sonos modded, the hacked up RPi sounds a tad bit better. At least using Rune Audio.
Hacked up how?
At this point, my MacBook Air USB + Jitterbug to my AudioGD DAC still seems to be 'slightly' better than the RaspberryPi HiFiBerry Digi+ Pro S/PDIF to the same DAC and that's with any and all PS upgrades I have attempted so far.
Any future 'hacks' are appreciated.
Just Digi+ pro, IFI power supply, and I say Rune Audio.
That's Rune Audio 0.4 beta, I've blabbered about it before.
Looks like a lot of file management here.
"Text files are stored in Notes
Photos are stored under - well photos
Videos are stored under - well videos
PDF Files are stored using a number of applications - I use iBooks."
If mere file handling is sufficient, they why bitch about the lack of "...a full-function file manager app" and go elsewhere?
New iOS 11 app, appropriately called... (wait for it)
for those challenged using specific apps I guess. :)
Guessing it is more an attempt to sell some, make that ANY, iPads.
The march of iOS merging with OS-X continues but the fact is, the iPad is a poor excuse for a laptop.
Great for controlling LMS on my Raspberry Pi and some LIGHT evening catching up on the 'twitter feed' before drifting off to sleep, but....
laptop functionality, why not buy a laptop? :)
I use an iPhone, iPad and Win10 based laptop. Wifey uses an iPhone, iPad and MacBook air.
Each serves a different purpose . Hence, their existence.
Do you want to carry an LTE based laptop in your back pocket?
My wife loves her iPad Pro 9.7 so much more than her 13" MacBook Pro. I also bought a keyboard for her iPad Pro and she spends hours on it daily.
I'm just the opposite. I use my Mac laptop daily for pretty much everything. I have it hooked up to a 22" LCD screen on my desk along with a bluetooth keyboard & mouse. In those situations when I need to run off on a quick errand or whatever I take my iPhone which tucks into my pocket.
I rarely use my iPad except for occasional web browsing and as a remote control for Roon/Tidal, Audiravana Plus, iTunes, etc.
She loves the iPad as her go-to daily driver. I much prefer my Mac laptop.
In those rare occasions where I "need" Windows, I just launch a Windows 7 or Windows 10 virtual machine on the Mac using Parallels Desktop.
My wife is the same way. She is a university administrator and uses hers around campus for a number of tasks and meetings in lieu of carrying around the Macbook. She has always used a keyboard/case with hers as well.
I have a slightly newer Air version with this keyboard/case . Similarly, I prefer it for business travel to my larger laptop needed only for product demonstrations. I use the pad as movie theatre, music playback system, internet browser, email client, and use Keynote for presentations (along with iPhone as remote). For two different conferences I attended this year where I was a presenter, it was a no brainer to use the pad in that role. I use the HDMI adapter for the external display.
At home, mine lives on my bedside table and used for a range of tasks including Roku remote. With the iPeng app, it serves as a renderer to my LMS based system for listening via my Shure 535 IEMs. An older one (actually wifey's first also with keyboard ) lives upstairs using iPeng as primary remote to control uRendu in main system. While also allowing checking of SPL, email and surfing while listening.
I would never schlep my laptop to the bedroom or upstairs to do those things! Although I am anything but a visionary (my wife has always taken that role with mobile electronics in my household!), I get why Ive says that he's not impressed with hybrid tablet/laptop computers.
I use the iPad Mini 4 around the house including in the bedroom to read. However, I still schlep my laptop around for meetings but I will generally carry my smaller MacBook Air 11-inch. I use the typical PowerPoint, Excel, and Word (MS Office Mac version) since my company has standardized on MS Office. Some co-workers use iPad on travel but I never warmed up to it personally.
The 11-inch MacBook Air in the Incase bag fits vertically under the airline seat in front of me so I still have plenty of leg room.
"Steve Jobs told Walt Mossberg and Kara Swisher in 2005 that "eventually, the file system management is just going to be an app for pros and consumers aren't going need to use it."
I could be an Apple guy yet !
While E-STAT and Abe are just amateurish 'consumers'. ;-)
As far as Tablets, I use an Asus 10 inch with detachable keyboard (Which I never detach. It runs a full blown Windows 10 O/S. Had it for 3 years and no problems.
I returned the Apple iPhone and picked up a Samsung S8 (Cost $100 more, and couldn't' be happier. It is much faster and I can add a MicroSD card up to another 256GB.... (Phone comes with 64GB of internal Storage). It's also waterproof for up to 30 minutes at 3 feet. I can also run all the same apps that I was used to that Apple didn't support. And the File interface is seamless to me and the rest of my computers.
"30 minutes at 3 feet" will be a life saver for you while at the pool in Exuma or where ever beautiful you chill in Winter (jealous). 8 more years then I can become a professional goof off
Yup, Bahamas..... I'm an amateur goof off. (No Pay, but it was my true calling).
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