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Got a DIGI+ standard card and PcP non audio. WiFi works as advertised! Not sure yet that the sound is as good as the Dig+Pro.
Just for kix I thought to try Volumio in the same rig. My music files are on a USB HDD attached to one of the PC's on my network. No matter how I enter the parameters into Volumio it can't mount my music drive. Now somewhere on the volumio site is a FAQ that suggests that it plays better with NAS than with a drive hooked to a PC.
I saw Cut-Throat's post below about mounting LMS on a NAS and I'm intrigued about the prospect. I don't know a lot about NAS, are there any pitfalls? Thinking of Synology single bay unit.
Was your question properly answered? As best I can tell, the lowest response on the thread from BH was the only credible one. Thank goodness for BH.
he never answered my question which pertains to performance:
My music files are on a USB HDD attached...
Someone else took it in another direction.
Speed has never been an issue. Besides streaming my music from LMS, I also stream it using Fubar from that computer to a small system in that office. No buffering no dropouts. Likewise no issues streaming music via LMS either WiFi or Ethernet either. Don't see why speed would be an issue.
On the other hand the HDD is a NAS drive in a fan-cooled enclosure rather than being inside the computer's case. We all make tradeoffs.
Yes, Will my question was answered, first by BH, I've ordered another RPI and will make an RPI NAS this weekend just for kicks. Cut-Throat also answered my question and I'm waiting to see if I can find a Synology NAS on sale. I already bought an HGST NAS drive to put in it.
The rest of the thread got hijacked several times but it was entertaining.
Thanks for asking :-)
It was very entertaining. These guys are like Outside/Watercooler only they are friends and very good natured.
You make life easy for all BM: you shall receive a RP for every occasion coming up...birthday, anniversary, Christmas, V day.
I will pass on to all your family "just get him a Rpi, he loves them!" Metal cases, plastic ones, power supplies. Better than an antique car.
when I look back, my question was based on this observation of yours:
No matter how I enter the parameters into Volumio it can't mount my music drive.
Internal drives shouldn't have any *mount* issues.
Good luck with your new NAS!
I guess I couldn't read between the lines
"Or, why must you use a "USB attached" one as opposed to that which is a necessarily faster approach? "
I'll try and see. There is an internal drive with music as well.
high capacity SSD drives will be affordable and eliminate current considerations of physical space, power requirements and environmental noise.
All of my world lives inside a 2 TB space. Since the cost of an SSD with that capacity is around $700, I use a 120 GB SSD for the OS and rely on a 2.5" spinning rust drive for data. In two year's time, the price should be more like $200.
Speed can be relevant for copy and backup purposes, but perhaps my mention clouded the issue I was trying to address.
OS and apps reside on a 250 GB SSD and files reside on a 1TB "rust" drive (I like that term!).
But are SSD reliable enough to be used for storage eventually? I though they had only so many seeks?
But are SSD reliable enough to be used for storage eventually?
You are correct as their life is measured in the number of writes. Which is why I configure my browsers to store their temporary files on the hard drive to reduce that constant traffic.
Fortunately, modern SSDs are pretty reliable. I keep an imaged reserve unit on the shelf for when mine dies. :)
I'm on to using the SSD's with a 5 year warranty. They command a bit of a cost premium but this one I have now seems more rugged than what I'v had in the past. I'm not sure exactly what I'm doing that has killed 3 configured as my C drive so far in about 5 years or so. I do a lot of LTSpice though. I suspect it's something related to that.
Most modern SSD's and filesystems are a lot better than they were just a few short years ago. I no longer concern myself with a normal amount of writes from the OS and applications writing into logs and temp files. Of course I wouldn't run a "write test" all day long as that wouldn't be "normal".
There are four common types of NAND flash used in SSD's, differing in number of P/E cycles per lifetime, and defined by their construction:
SLC -- Single Level Cell: the most expensive, longest lived (high P/E), and generally fastest. Bits are stored only as 2 voltage levels, or a "1" or "0." In SLC less data is stored per cell, so the per unit storage cost is higher. SLC is ridiculously expensive and has fallen out of favor in IT data center applications. It's still used in highly specialized applications.
eMLC -- Enterprise (grade) Multi-Level Cell: is MLC with longer life, usually because of an advanced controller operating the cell and error recovery techniques, construction density, or some combination of the two. These often allocate more cells for wear leveling than MLC.
MLC -- Multi-Level Cell: is consumer grade and used in phones, cameras, and USB sticks, laptops, etc. The stored charge in MLC may be interpreted as a variety of values, 0 to 3, or 4 possible states, and may store 2 bits. With shorter lifetimes, usually 10x less than SLC, the advantage of this memory is that the cost is several times less than SLC, but with lower write speeds. MLC typically uses some form of error correction code per block.
TLC -- Triple Level Cell: championed in some Samsung models, TLC has higher power and error correction requirements, and higher wear levels. TLC is targeted at environments with predominant read uses, and has not been commonly used. Samsung makes excellent MLC and eMLC SSDs but they also have their "cheap line" of TLC based SSDs.
We use eMLC in the data center. I use MLC SSDs in my computers. TLC is the cheapest but I wouldn't use TLC in any of my computers or music servers.
which has a 75 TB / 5 year warranty.
That should suffice until the high capacity ones become cheap. :)
I have an older Samsung 840 Pro purchased and installed April 2013 in my Mac Mini music server. The Mac remains powered ON pretty much 24/7 and haven't had a single issue with it.
Also bought the EVO 850 for a friend's laptop around June 2015. His HDD died and the EVO 850 was a nice replacement and speed-up for him.
I'm also waiting for those 2TB - 4TB SSDs to come down in price.
What is wrong with the internal drive(s) in any one of your computers?
Or, why must you use a "USB attached" one as opposed to that which is a necessarily faster approach?
Nothing wrong with either......
This is a lot like explaining to a guy that is convinced his Honda Accord is the same as a Lexus. They both get you to your destination. Both have Cruise, FM, XM, A/C, Power Seats, Power Windows, Leather......
They're both Happy! ...... Be Happy!
There are feature and performance improvements when you move from a Toyota to a Lexus or Honda to Acura - same difference.
Using attached USB drives involves decidedly reduced performance as opposed to internal SATA drives. A NAS approach simply moves the box containing the drives to a different place and increases network traffic.
As for me, I prefer investing in changes that improve audible system performance.
I've done it your way and I now have a NAS... I would not go back.
As I said, be happy.
having recently upgraded to the LPS-1 power supply for the uRendu player as it reveals musical detail I've never before enjoyed in the main system.
Similarly, I've pretty much switched over to using battery supplies for the RPi/garage system. Less edge and false brightness on top.
what power supply are you using with your Pi?
At least it's not a 'switcher'.
It's somewhat regulated/linear(see data sheet link below).
battery supply is decidedly better sounding at the top. :)
My 24,000 mAh battery is not noticeably different from the Jameco transformer adapter(have not time A:Bing it). Jameco is better than the wall wart that came with the Pi, and the various USB chargers I've tried,so that did it for me for now.
And it doesn't need recharging every couple days (I leave the Pi on 24/7). Even now with what should be a permanent IP address, it still can be a PITA to find on my network(iPad finds it easier than the browser on my Mac Mini for some reason). Plus it doesn't have a 'power switch' ya gotta muck with the cables.
If this looks to be a permanent installation I'll invest in the 'Metal Box' and a proper LPS.
But then QOBUZ comes up with Hi Rez streaming (24/96 and 24/192) for an extra $10 a month. But only through the Window/OS-X player.
So maybe I'm back locked into a computer after all. :-(
That Jameco LPS has worse specs than many switchers. Pretty bad in fact in areas like ripple and voltage regulation.
And typical USB batteries have a switching circuit internally to boost the internal battery voltage to 5V....... So you're not really running purely off the battery itself.
That said, Jameco is much better than the cheap switcher that came with the Pi (pictured above).
One thing that can not be forgotten, switchers inside battery packs or not, about the battery is that it takes the Pi off of the the home AC system with all of the crap that's attached to it. And what with my 25 lb. DAC which is mostly power supplies, that might be of some benefit, and the Ethernet is somewhat isolated as well.
Running on the batteries at this second and it may be a bit better that the Jameco.
Streaming 'Turn Up The Quiet' w/ Diana Krall via QOBUZ because...
Streaming 'Turn Up The Quiet' w/ Diana Krall
Say it ain't so! She's still around? ;-)
unless one uses 'audiophile' music. ;-)
I never heard either of my TAS reviewer friends play schmaltzy jazz. :)
Classical was always the rule of the day. Which is likely why I really enjoy that genre to this day. JWC's vinyl collection was truly massive. I never experienced a case of "do you have...?" - it was always "which version do you want to hear?"
Want to hear some Berio or Panufnik?
I purchased one of Krall's albums to see what all the fuss was about and still don't get it!
Get a copy of the DVD "Live in Paris" by Krall.... Put it on your Big Screen TV hooked to your Main Audio System. Settle in with a good bottle of wine and watch the concert. If you don't 'get it' after this, There is no blood in your veins.
BTW - Seeing her Live in Minneapolis a week from this Friday...
that won't happen, but I did just add it to the Netflix queue.
OTOH, if I'm not found of hearing an artist's music, I doubt that watching them play said music will help much. Does she do jokes? :)
Not really a fan of concert videos, either. Have one(?) I think.
No way is this on my Netflix....
But now I discover that only once it's put in into your queue do you see that availability is "unknown". :)
Log in and follow this link:
If I can't stream it, I'm not interested...... Not available for streaming. You'll have to borrow one from someone. It's a very popular DVD.
and listened to the first minute of each track. Why does the guitarist always play the same simple twangy stuff? I think you're right about the wine - I need to drink a bottle or three first and perhaps that would put me in the mood. I'm totally sober now.
As for female pianists, I'm more the Liz Story type. I've heard her live at the Woodruff Arts Center playing the Steinway unamplified in a nice hall. Magnificent.
I have several of her albums containing wonderfully expressive and emotional original work. It is her music that stirs the blood in my veins. :)
It's an acquired taste...... If you really want to enjoy it, Watch the DVD.... If you're just interested in proving me wrong, just let me know. I can accept that.
and just exercised it. Again. Did you recall that I already have some of her music? Eyes not required.
For me, I can pretty much determine as to whether or not I like something in the first minute of hearing a work. I was strolling through some new albums on Tidal and listened to Rihanna's newest. Most of her stuff doesn't do anything for me, but occasionally I find something that does. From Anti , I like "Same Ol' Mistakes". And Katy Perry's latest single, "Bon Appetit". Well, I could do without the auto-tuned rap near the end. :)
In the classical genre, I discovered Howard Shore's Two Concerti . More nice stuff.
Musical tastes just vary. Widely at that!
One thing I dislike about her style is the mangling of many original work's timing. Examples are The Look of Love and The Girl From Ipanema . Has she never heard those tunes performed before?
When you compare those to that of Dusty Springfield and Astrud Gilberto , it seems her goal is to deliberately put a "lounge lizard" spin to the delivery.
Not my style.
Maybe she's into NAS storage, too. ;)
Don't play them much, even though we have TWO TTs, one on either side of a small-by-today's-standard TV.
Mostly stream classical from TIDAL and QOBUZ but have about 1,000 or more CDs to figure out how to rip and store.
I think people make a big mistake thinking lossless FLAC streaming is somehow sub-standard listening. Every improvement I make in either of my systems seems to improve the sound of lossless FLAC streaming, either QOBUZ or TIDAL. In fact, I am coming to the conclusion that, in some cases it may depend more on the CD player being used as to whether there is any difference at all between the original CD and a Lossless FLAC stream.
I'm pretty certain my current computer playback of a ripped CD sounds better than the same CD played on a decent Marantz silver disk spinner (DV-9600) outputted to the same DAC for playback.
OK, I really don't know that with any certainty as I am yet to purchase Ms. Krall's latest offering so as to do a proper comparison. :-)
As compared to my battery supplies. The difference in false brightness is evident to me - if not for you. Yes, for ten times the investment, you can match the battery's performance with a "proper" linear supply. I've owned two such 5V models. Just not worth it for me in the garage system. If you really want to do it optimally, you need to purchase an LPS-1 like I use in the main syste for even better performance.
I never have difficulty finding my RPi when powered up using iPeng in the LMS environment.
That's all I do.
Front and rear lights on my bike, last only 1-2 long rides mostly one. HR monitor, use it at the gym and on the bike, that would be 6 times a week and it doesn't last a week.
iPhone, iPad and my vape pen... (oops, never mind that one!)
Anyway, you get the idea.
And the Pi is located in an area which is hard to reach to unplug from the battery at the end of the day. I could get 4-5 days off of the 24,000 mAh battery if I just remembered to turn it off at night.
Vape pen. LOL
I have one too. Maybe once a day. After work with a cocktail.
but I keep misplacing it. :-(
Why only one?
If I were you I'd have one in every room.
I have about 12 of them. Lol!
Which reminds me, I have to recharge my front and rear bike light and my HR monitor for tomorrows ride.
Vape pen will have to get in line for a charger. =:-0
oh wait, you're talking about vaping the funny green stuff!
here's a song for you...
View YouTube Video
I can see why you only have one.
I'm talking about vaping nicotine juice. =-)
And the Pi is located in an area which is hard to reach to unplug from the battery at the end of the day.
That would be the case in the main system where I use the LPS-1.
I could get 4-5 days off of the 24,000 mAh battery if I just remembered to turn it off at night.
I do and access to the garage unit is open. I also have several batteries in rotation. At least one is always fully charged.
I was pleased with using a Terdak linear with one of my former Touch players. I found that was equivalent to using battery power.
Everybody thinks their way is the best.
For me, having used at least two NAS devices in the past and a few Linux NAS solutions, I decided that DD-WRT [router software] gave me exactly what I wanted.
I simply installed DD-WRT into my router, which opened up a world of options including the ability to turn it [along with a standard external hard drive] into a NAS.
Dynobots Audio - Music is the Bridge Between Heaven and Earth
Sure there are 100 ways to skin a cat and even more to serve your music.
Best not to belittle people and bash their methods, not that anyone here would do such a thing.....Hmmmmmm
Gerbera is another good solution.
Dynobots Audio - Music is the Bridge Between Heaven and Earth
doesn't think their own way is best, or even better than anyone else's (OK, if you're into Bose, all bets are off).
That's mostly the product of years (if not decades) attending audio shows from CES to regional meetings where I have had the chance to hear just about everything.
Some ways of playing back music may sound a bit be better than others, but I can say with some confidence that the BEST of just about ANY and ALL ways, be it vinyl, reel to reel, digital or whatever, be it sand amp or tube amp, be it cones and domes, big panels or (god help us) horns, sounds pretty darned good!
I find that one's choices greatly reflect on the nature of their network along with computer needs and choices.
Long before I became a LMS user, my infrastructure was already in place with my home office setup. I didn't have to change a thing. Nor do I find a reason to do so years later.
OK, well I did acquire a linear power supply to feed the cable modem and router. :)
I'd be out of luck with my current setup, at least for LMS and the Pi.
WiFi is such an awful alternative for audio, IMNSHO.
But I suppose everyone to their own poison.
Of course if I had no other choice, I'd say it's fine! ;-)
I use CAT7 with the main system. :)
I have three 802.11N WiFi access points around the house which works just fine for most applications including the garage system and outside Canary camera. Signal strength ensures buffer-free playback of 24/96 content.
Fully capable of gigabit speeds, as it turns out.
We've had the whole house wired with it since 2004 or so, using it for phone lines without a clue until the Sonic Fiber guy pointed out that I could have the whole house wired for ethernet by just replacing the wall jacks with RJ-45 sockets.
And good for 100 gigabit for up to 15 meters - the length of the run to my listening room :)
Just remember that a NAS is not an alternative to backups regardless of what RAID level you use on the disks. Consumer NAS has several single points of failure including operator error. Backups can save you.
- Use separate external disk(s) to backup your NAS or
- Use another NAS to backup your NAS or
- Use a NAS to backup your disk(s)
I run a Mac Mini as my main music server but it also serves as a NAS to my networked streamers. I back it up periodically to external disks and certain items also get backed up to a cloud service.
I currently back up to a USB HDD periodically.
I'm intrigued by Bullethead's RPI NAS.
I will likely get a NAS but I think I'll use the RPI NAS as a backup/mirror to the "real" NAS
And as I've migrated to higher capacity drives on the server, they now live again in external cabinets with a USB interface. I still have a spare 3.5" 2tb drive that will eventually will be pressed into service for backup duty with the move to using 2.5" drives in the server.
Given all the recent ransomware attacks, I plan to leave mine offline...
edit: spell corruption fix
Is there reliable antivirus software for NAS? I'm not compulsive enough to disconnect it each time.
that can fully protect you from all threats. If your network gets attacked, any and all attached drives will be affected.
I choose to use outboard USB drives for offline storage, not slower-than-normal online access.
I'd stay away from a NAS!
I'd buy a NUC (probably a last season model to keep the budget low).
The NUC allows for a 2nd 2,5 inch disk inside. For backups attach a USB disc.
NAS provided software support usually sucks - last time I looked.
LMS won't get updated, if you manage to get the latest version at all.
If you want to run great UPNP servers like Serviio - you'll face issues again.
Free choice and handling of software rules. Flexibility is key.
The two NASs I had several years back ended up in the bin very quickly.
And then. If you want to run DSP tasks (audio/video processing) a NAS runs out of steam at slightest load.
Beside that you obviously can use a NUC for desktop purposes and even as a renderer too. Again, flexibility rules.
Bottom line. Better think twice!
And don't let you fool by "the NAS sounds better" - better then what!?!?
I'm running latest Ubuntu Gnome as base on my NUC server btw.
But you can also use audio focused stuff like e.g VortexBox or similar.
Mine gets updated all the time. Synology... Plugins a lot like LMS itself.
Yep, that's what I've been responding on your posts numerous times.
Nice try to turn it back on me.
Reading properly what's been written and understanding it is a basic skill.
Somebody like you should develop it over time, at least when looking at the quantity of your posts. I havn't given up hope on you.
I was talking about "my" two NASs and said "last time I looked". Completely false ??
A PC more flexible than a NAS. Completely false???
Serviio as prefered UPNP server. Completely false??
And I'm wondering what would be popping up, if I'd have a closer look at your Synology.
BTW. Did I ever tell you that an alias tells a lot about a person...
Just grow up kid!
Get a 2 Bay unit at least.... Not that much extra Money and you get Raid Redundancy. I have a Synology DS216J Model and it works great! I have LMS running on the NAS... The Uptime on the NAS has been over 5 months without a re-start.
I am completely sold on the NAS. Separate Streamers, Separate Disk Storage and Separate Processing.
The NAS is the Best thing I have done Computer wise in over 20 years!
Synology sells refurbs thru Amazon. I bought a DS213j because I read that it was a little quieter than other models. Its not the newest of the new, but works great for me.
It seems like it was probably old stock and not referred at all....at least to my untrained eye.
Did you install LmsRepack ?
Not knowingly! What is it?
It is basically a Package (Custom)to your Synology Server to run LMS. It updates just like the other packages for the Synology via DSM.
I plugged in a USB HDD to an RPi and made a NAS with openmediavault.
Having on a low powered machine on will cut your electric bill.
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