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In Reply to: RE: Got a lot of music on a 128GB USB Stick.... posted by bullethead on April 16, 2017 at 07:43:40
The good news is that it sounds better than the beta version of Rune.
The bad news is that it sounds worse than the current release version of Rune. At least on my Mamboberry LS+. My experience in the past has been that the overall sound of software music players tends to transcend hardware differences more or less.
If you didn't like the way 3.1 sounded odds are good that you won't like 3.5 either because they sound very similar.
For me Moode has always has a "glossed over" slightly out of focus sound and this version seems to follow suite.
Tried the DSP options such as low boost. There is definitely more bass, but it's an artificial sounding bass. Same thing with the high boost. The best setting for the DSP seemed to be "disabled".
If you are playing with Moode, be sure to try the alternative kernals, cpu governor, and MPD scheduling settings. I'm currently using "Advanced", "Performance", and "RR" respectively, on an RPI2 > HifiBerry Digi+ > Twisted Pear Opus DAC. This is with Moode 3.1. I'll update today or tomorrow to 3.5 I'm sure settings may need to be changed for different combinations of components.
I don't understand the mentality that the more you "tweak" something, the better is will sound.
Would is not be reasonable to assume that the developers of these audio apps, especially one can only be had with forced donation, would put their best foot forward and make the default settings and least reasonably good?
I have swapped out the kernel, disabled unused outputs, etc. and heard only minimal, probably psychosomatic, differences.
I don't understand what the differences are between Volumio, Moode, Rune, and Piss Poor(Pi Core) are, but they each sound different from one another in ways that no amount of settings changes will produce.
Posted by jaydacus (A) on April 16, 2017 at 19:51:19
In Reply to: RE: Got a lot of music on a 128GB USB Stick.... posted by Skip Pack on April 16, 2017 at 11:21:28:
"I don't understand the mentality that the more you "tweak" something, the better is will sound."
Since a system is made of many parts, I feel a need to optimize my whole system when I hear what I perceive to be a sound quality flaw. I do believe that no system is perfect, and that virtually no system cannot be improved through systematic investigation of setup, even if the hardware is unchanged. My amps and speakers may sound better with a certain adjustment where yours may sound worse. In a complex system there are no absolutes.
As I can only change one component or aspect of one component at at time, I try to understand where within the system I might make a change that might yield an improvement. Currently, since digital audio is still evolving fairly quickly, parameters such as players, player settings, power supplys, and digital communication (USB, SPDIF, ethernet, etc.) offer handles for optimization not just of that part of the system, but the whole system.
I usually to do not expect to hear and improvment with most changes. But, every once and a while, I get an incremental improvement.
"Would is not be reasonable to assume that the developers of these audio apps, especially one can only be had with forced donation, would put their best foot forward and make the default settings and least reasonably good?"
Reasonabley good? Yes! But not as good as it might be when tailored to my whole system, and my ears (old but still OK, not great).
"I have swapped out the kernel, disabled unused outputs, etc. and heard only minimal, probably psychosomatic, differences."
True of most changes for me as well. I leave those that I believe make sense, such as decreasing CPU load, as long as I, at least, hear no degradation, and I keep the few changes that seem to help sonically.
"I don't understand what the differences are between Volumio, Moode, Rune, and Piss Poor(Pi Core) are, but they each sound different from one another in ways that no amount of settings changes will produce."
I suspect that Volumio, Moode, and Rune, all using MPD, can be tweaked to sound almost alike. Many differences arise from differences in the kernal version, the MPD version, and ALSA differences. The three players are probably never on the same versions or default installation configuration. PcP and Moode using Squeezelite are probably subject to the same versional issues.
Plus, I enjoy playing with things occasionally (and am happy to stop for months at a time). Sounds like you find this fiddling less rewarding overall. I think it comes down to personal differences.
B is better than A
Then C is better than B
Then D is better than C
Then E is better than D
Then F is better than E
And Then A is better F.
It happens... And that is why a lot of audiophiles keep chasing their tails.
Oh Yeah! Often a change under test will help one aspect of your system and harm another. It really helps to have priorities that reflect your personal responses. My old ears don't tolerate harshness at all. I really didn't have those priorities sorted until I was in my late '50s.
This is a very interesting topic and question you brought up, with the same hardware we are all hearing differences with just changing software.
Quote Unquote Normal People would dismiss this as insanity, but this is clearly reality we are experiencing.
I say we should all congratulate ourselves because we can hear a difference.
I'll have some beers on everyone's behalf here, this is an incredible breakthrough.
I have been enjoying Rune Audio more than Moode Audio.
going to dig deeper into this.
Just posted in CA:
If Rune supports hifi Berry Digi+ pro I will check it out today, what's the latest release link? Thanks
the one I see is 0.4 beta on a google drive link, I'm flashing it now, it is supposed to work with the hifi berry digi+ pro, thanks for reminding me of rune.
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