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In Reply to: RE: (please grow up) Your straw man posted by AbeCollins on December 29, 2014 at 10:40:11
""standard off the shelf motherboards"" ""What's not true about that?""They are not "off the shelf" You can't buy a rasberry Pi "off the shelf" You can't buy the modified Bryston board off the shelf, - it is custom. The Sim Audio mainboard is available off line. And, the Sonore & the Auralic Aries are mainboards custom built and not capable of being purchased by an end user.
...something that you can't seem to comprehend, a PC needs much more than a mainboard before it is considered a PC/computer.
""vehemently anti "computer audio" why do you keep posting here?""I am not vehemently anything.
Chris told us that this forum is to be used for ANY and ALL discussions on digital file playback. And, you are equally Anti-computer, as you're in the process of turning your computer into "not-a-computer."
We should also be posting here, and posts have been moved here from digital relating to Squeezeboxes, Oppo digital file playback, etc.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
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They are not "off the shelf" You can't buy a rasberry Pi "off the shelf"
I bought mine off the shelf from Amazon. And I used a couple different OS's on it including OpenELEC .
You can't buy the modified Bryston board off the shelf, - it is custom. The Sim Audio mainboard is available off line. And, the Sonore & the Auralic Aries are mainboards custom built and not capable of being purchased by an end user.
So? Did I say they were? No, I said many such products DO use off the shelf motherboards. Is that incorrect?
...a PC needs much more than a mainboard before it is considered a PC/computer.
I'm not arguing that point. Where did I say anything contrary to that?
We may have different distinctions between off the shelf/and PC mainboards.We have already shown that the Rasberry PI is so difficult to use a PC, - that we might as well say that it can't.
The Razberry Pi is a speciality audio USB mainboard that a consumer can buy.If you call that audio board purchase "off the shelf" I'll be happy to concede that good point.
The other "off the shelf" mainboard which is a better example actually, -is the Auraliti: that has a video card, NIC, card, hard drive, runs Linux.
The Bryston, Sonore, Aries, Squeezebox, streamers (mainboards) can't be bought by the consumer.....
Cheers,
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
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Is this an audiophile product?
Do you have any thought of your own? Are you willing to examine evidence that leads to reasonable deductions based on its veracity?
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
I asked you a simple question....
Either yes...? or no...? Do you have an answer?
You comment makes no sense at all.
I asked two questions.
Your question made no sense at all.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Then it shows your real intent. Have fun... smh Do not have time for bull shit... sorry.
for bullshit, - why did you post off topic?
Or is it just that you don't like having your own crap thrown back at you?
To start a new subject: create a new post by selecting the Post Message button.I don't have time, sorry....
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
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Exactly on topic. Some keep talking about motherboards and their pedigree and how t relates to sound quality.... The board in the PogoPlug is being used in highly touted streamer.
Everything is not as simple as it seems. You can often put a pedestrian item in a pretty box, slap a big name on it and everyone goes nuts! Like ST who loves the Bryston stuff. I actually never heard a Bryston product that sounded that great IMO. And that goes back to the 70s. The amps were always dry and two dimensional to me. I still often get that feel from their stuff. YMMV...
This discussion was about 2 things: which I can't see how could possibly be muddled.1. Does the Sonore Rendu use a custom built mainboard from Switzerland that is designed only around playing back digital files?, (streaming from a NAS).
(The answer to that is an indisputable yes: for the reasons cited, & what the manufacturer told me: why would he lie when one can clearly see it)?Does it sound better because of it? I hope to know soon.
2. Gordon said that he thought about building an "audiophile" mainboard but he didn't think that he'd get enough interest. I speculated that because the Sonore was a custom built mainboard that only had 1 or 2 things in common with a PC: (no USB bus, no ESATA or HD bus, no I/O capabilities, no video, no PCI, etc), and the fact that the manufacturer told me about the other aspects/parts, (linear PSU, internal damping, connector quality, processor topology, proprietary SPDIF as the only output, etc) that this was more in line with what Gordon was talking about.
The Apple TV, and the Squeezebox, and the Sonore, all are streamers. They have more in common with each other, (and an Oppo), than they do with a typical MAC or PC computer.
I do not know if I would call the PogoPlug an audiophile device. I would probably say no, because its main purpose: it does not have many of the elements required to make it a high performance audio playback device.
I did not know that it had a board in it that was common to a streamer. I would call the SBT an audiophile device because it (playback) is improved considerably by using the digital out, using an aftermarket PSU, defeating the screen, & utilizing a NAS, instead of an USB HD.
IMO, - the Apple TV is not. But the Sonore has more in common with the Squeezebox than it does with a PC. That's one of the reasons why the manufacturer CALLS the device a streamer instead of a computer.
""You can often put a pedestrian item in a pretty box, slap a big name on it and everyone goes nuts!""
I believe that that may be true but not "often:" - as it gets found out quickly enough, and if it doesn't perform better, the item gets exposed and will quickly be gone: (it happens more often in the mid-end, and low-end were less attention is paid). In Bryston's case, - the mainboard certainly is "closer" to an off the shelf product: but it's still a custom board, and we know that things like the power supply, connector quality, wiring to the connectors count for a lot.
That being said, I share your opinion of Bryston as a company, and although I disagree a little, - (I've heard some very good sounding high-current, amps from them), - I am with you.Earlier in this thread, it was nice to get some corroboration from Gordon, that philosophically, a high performance digital playback device/transport is "better" when it has those same HARDWARE elements as other good high performance audio devices do: a very good PSU, very good connectors, removal of superfluous parts from the signal path, damping, etc. With a streamer, one still needs a processor, and therefore a mainboard: the more that you can move that board away from being multi-dimensional, the better that is going to sound. I wonder if someone will design, & somehow implement a processor without charge pumps. That will be one of the next big steps.
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
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"You can't buy a rasberry Pi "off the shelf"
I have. You can.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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