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In Reply to: RE: details please posted by Joe Murphy Jr on July 06, 2012 at 08:23:34
Actually I don't have an iPad but Jude over at Headfi tested it.
Re: Jude at Head-Fi
"...unfortunately the iPad doesn't kick out enough juice through the Camera Connection Kit to power the Dragonfly up."
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
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I know there were lots of people who were ticked off when Apple cut the amount of juice that the iPad could output. I believe it's now down to 100mW, right?
I can't remember what the THRiVE can output, but it's quite a bit more than 100mW. I know it will power a portable hard drive because I have mine connected to a 500GB Seagate GoFlex for headphone/late night listening.
> > > I know there were lots of people who were ticked off when Apple cut the amount of juice that the iPad could output. I believe it's now down to 100mW, right?
Apparently the new iPad outputs 20mA down from 100mA.
Consumers are always at the mercy of Apple. This includes any app.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
"Consumers are always at the mercy of Apple. This includes any app."
Absolutely. That's why I don't buy their products, but even that doesn't provide an escape hatch, because I support a web site with customers who have Apple products and I get to vicariously "enjoy" Apple problems.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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Are you not at the mercy of whoever you buy from?
Does the computer manufacturer you bought from build it to your specifications? Does Bill Gates consult you when Microsoft designs their operating systems and other programs.
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"Are you not at the mercy of whoever you buy from?"
Of course, at least to some extent. This is why one wants to patronize ethical companies and do one's part to shame other companies so they will reform, or failing that, drive them from the marketplace.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
> > > This is why one wants to patronize ethical companies and do one's part to shame other companies so they will reform, or failing that, drive them from the marketplace.Thats right, of course we might not be able to drive Apple from the market place but people can and should patronize companies that are sensitive to consumers.
Customer service means everything. Apple seems to be of the mindset that they can and will do what ever they want. Hence no Flac support, no Flash support and from what ChannelD 'PureMusic' says that "Apple removed the ability to send audio in nonmixable integer stream mode in OS X 10.7."
Apples iTunes is horrible and only serves to market its products.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
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I never understood the whining about FLAC since files formats are easily converted.
Flash isn't dead but it is dying and will soon be a thing of the past. Looks like they were ahead of the curve on that one but I do admit it irritates me I can't view some web sites on my iPad.
iTunes is a very powerful database that works wonderfully for managing a music library.. and it is free. Yes, they use it as a front to sell things... so what?
You are correct about integer support but from what PM also tells us it really isn't needed. My DAC doesn't support it in any version of OSx and sounds great so I could care less about it.
Apple's customer service is actually very good. I've gotten very good free phone support and you can get free support at one of their stores. They do charge for phone support after some period of time but that is not unusual.
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.We're "at the mercy" of all manufacturers if you want to use that type of hyperbole.
Yes, you get the apps from them but there are currently over 200,000 available for the iPad so it's not like they are choking off the supply.
Windows users are at the mercy of Microsoft.
Kindle users are at the mercy of Barnes and Noble.
Sick people are at the mercy of the drug companies.
And before you accuse me of being an Apple promoter I have several computers and devices running a variety of operating systems so I'm not in the cult. I don't think they have a monopoly in anything they sell and have a small fraction of most markets so you have choices just like you do with almost anything you buy. Why do you feel the need to attack this one company?
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Apple shills .
When M$ was in a position to lock in their customers some years back, they got their share of (deserved) bashing. As to the other companies you mentioned , this is a forum on computer audio . There are lots of other forums where the other companies can and do get bashed.
Apple wouldn't take these hits if it were an exemplary company led by an exemplary leader. A brief skim over Steve Job's biography should make the reason why people hate Apple pretty clear.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
There is no real apple bashing. It's just that 4-5 users here are so ultra sensitive (for whatever reasons) that they seemd to have lost all sense of proportion whenever a subject is raised. This has meant that there has been no meaningful discussion, just name calling and in one or two cases, web bullying.
I am almost certain that there are commercial reasons at play, with one inmate constently acting as a surrogate promoter of a group of usb products, and I don't see any comments here about trolling in favour of these products.
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I think not. I bet most people couldn't tell you much about Apple's business practices or Jobs'.
You may dislike them for that reason but all I hear around here is how they screwed up things by promoting MP3s. In my mind equivalent to blaming fast food restaurants for the obesity epidemic.
I did poke around the net looking for some info on him and read through the Wikipedia bio, but I didn't find much that backs up your claims.. I admit I've never followed his career or the business practices of Apple very closely so what you say may be true.
I'm keeping my iPad though.
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I'm keeping mine too, even though I'm not fond of Apple, the company, the products, the stores, the fans, especially the fans, the hype, the concept...
So why am I "sending this from my iPad"?
Because I'm driven by what things can do, what value they deliver to me, not advertising or the corporation's goodness or badness. For me over the years PC's, starting with the very first one, have delivered the goods while Apples haven't, but the goods I need and value are of not necessarily congruent with those of other users. For instance Apples did what teachers needed with far less strain than PCs. They were bombarded with advertising to make them believe that, but it was also true. Now we all use little Lisas, Jobs, and more accurately Xerox, were right.
I bought this for HW reasons, I was tired of fan and hd failures on laptops and also wanted to try the tablet format and this was the cheapest thing in the store that had reasonable capabilities. But what I really want is XP on a tablet. Maybe next go-round?
Rick
I don't know what you do with it, but I pity those in business who put themselves under pressure thru the compulsive use of iPAD messaging.
Recently, a guy I know emailed me on a matter ten times, when once would have done the trick, simply because he could respond in an instant.
Those who manage their time in a manner which reduces pressure and which enables focus will know what I mean.
The thing that I hate most about the iPAD (or iXXX) is when I get an email with the "Sent from my iPAD". It pisses me off doubly: first that Apple would put their damn advertising in paying customers emails and second, that the asshole sending the email didn't show me the courtesy of removing this gratuitous advertising. The worst part about the advertising is the word "my", the obvious implication being that "I" am cool and you are not (unless you have one of these as well). Obviously, I am not taken in by this hype, but I will admit that the world is full of idiots who are, as witnessed by the price of Apple stock.
Apart from this marketing BS there are functional problems too, problems that I am stuck with on occasion when a download customer can't make these crippled computers work with my website. I have never had this problem with customers using real computers.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
I play with it. It's a toy, an amusement device....
It's quite good at it. Right now I writing to you from the comfort of my couch but for work I use a PC at my desk downstairs surrounded by books and paper.
This works well for reading stuff like AA, the news, PDF files and for looking at maps and such. However typing on it is rather slow but nice and quiet, as it has no moving parts except for five switches.
They were not designed for work and yet they can do some. We had a new HVAC system installed last winter and one of the guys that quoted it was using an iPad. His had a camera and he'd take a picture of the existing stuff and he'd measure and fill in blanks on a form in real time. Ultimately it coughed up the quote and he just copied the numbers to paper and gave it to us. Pretty slick.
Rick
Not exactly FAST, but its the price you pay for being Cool.!!
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
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Why do you tie your concerns specifically to the iPad?
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