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In Reply to: RE: Drivers or no... posted by JeffH on June 30, 2012 at 15:02:51
I'm not clear from your post, but I think you are asking if drivers are required with the Ayre QB-9.
If so, the answer is "maybe".
When we first introduced the unit, no operating system would support 192 kHz without installing third-party drivers. However, shortly after the QB-9 was released Apple released a new version of OS-X (Snow Leopard, 10.6.4) that would support 192 kHz USB audio. At the same time we worked together with Wavelength to supply a driver so that Windows (XP and newer) would also support 192 kHz. I am told that the current version of Linux also has a USB driver that supports 192 kHz audio.
Summary - When the unit was released, it would operate up to 96 kHz on any modern operating system without additional drivers (still true). Currently it will operate on newer versions of Apple and Linux up to 192 kHz without additional drivers. For Windows, our supplied driver (free download from the Ayre website) will allow the unit to go beyond 96 kHz, up to 192 kHz.
I've heard rumors that the official release of Windows 8 will support 192 kHz USB audio with the native driver, but I don't know if this will actually transpire.
Hope this helps. For more information, visit our website and/or call the factory.
Follow Ups:
"This device cannot start. (Code 10)" in Windows 7 device manager.Since my other components work in the same usb ports (hiface, etc), I wanted to make sure that wasn't due to lack of drivers. I was able to listen to the QB9 for about 45 minutes friday night. The next morning, booted up and rec'd the code 10. I have not been able to listen since. I changed ports, cables with the same results. DRATZ!
Can I attach the QB9 to my Win7 desktop pc and and got the same results. I used both a generic and a rather expensive USB cable.
Thanks Charles for your input.
Edits: 07/01/12 07/01/12
These are some of the issues you get with 'driverless' or 3rd party driver installed hardware on the 'Sometimes Universal Serial Bus).
If I were you, I would try the newer 24/192 usb dacs with known solid drivers for Windows such as Wyred, Mytek Stereo DSD etc.
(fill in the blank)
The problem was me. I didn't navigate to the proper setup pages, which explained the set up and configuration of the DAC, Win 7 and JRiver. The DAC sounds great. Thanks for your half ars response.
as I said elswhere, the method of use is not newcomer or even oldcomer proof. Other units are more so.
I don't see why you should make a rude remark when you were the one who posted your problems.
"Other units are more so."
Just not the ones you recommend. Whatever.
shallow answer. Instead of stating something like "hey dummy, did you check your setup" or "I have some knowledge about this, did you simply switch the unit to Rev A" You immediately come up with the answer that you did. The answer is more a projection of your personality than a "I really want to help" response, which is a bummer. "Old comer/new comer proof" what a frig'n joke. Some of my 4 year old Grandson's toys are more complicated than the Ayre QB9.
"I would try the newer 24/192 usb dacs"
The Thesycon driver for Ayre/Wavelength is plenty "solid" but thanks for your concern troll (not).
Is it the 'mania' at work that prompted this post?
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/digital/messages/16/164474.html#post
I'm not sure where you are coming from on this topic fmak. The link you posted was from a customer in Holland and he had no problems at all with the Thesycon driver. Instead there is something wrong with the hardware in that unit. It's hard for me to diagnose from 6,000 miles away but I have never heard of this problem before. My best guess would be that the ribbon cable to the display has come loose in shipping, but that is just a guess.
The Thesycon driver has always worked extremely well with no problems. The original poster for this thread (JeffH) didn't have any problems with the driver at all. He called the factory for assistance and the problem was simply that the switch on the rear of the unit was set for Class 2 Audio (High Speed, capable of at least 16 channels of 192/24) which requires the Thesycon driver when used with Windows instead of Class 1 Audio (Full Speed, limited to 96 kHz). My understanding is that he hadn't installed the Thesycon driver and Windows was sending everything over at 96 kHz.
The fact that the unit has a sample-rate display alerted him to the fact that something was amiss. One of our technicians helped him with the setup and everything is working fine for him now. He posted his experiences at the link below:
Hello Charles,
I am the customer from Belgium (close to Holland ;-)
The DAC sounded extremely well the first days.
The trouble started after rebooting the computer.
I guess shipping will not be much of an explanation,
Everything I tried on my PC involving sound, turned out on a blue screen.
Anyway, I removed the Thesycon driver and stability has returned.
The Dutch dealer Audiac is working on it. I guess they calready contacted you. Seems to be quite a problem,
I hope they will fix it soon. A wonderful sound, and a nice match with my AX 7E.
Normally the service department only contacts me about a case that they are having trouble solving on their own. The factory has closed for the weekend so I can't check up on this at the moment.
This is the first time I have heard of the Thesycon driver causing some sort of conflict with a computer. On the one hand the fact that the problem went away when you uninstalled the driver seems to indicate something was amiss. Normally I would recommend re-installing it, but this can only be done while the QB-9 is attached (and the switch set to Class 2 audio). This done so that people can't just steal the Thesycon driver from our website and use it with other brands of DAC's. (We have to pay Thesycon for this driver and they don't want others to be able to steal it.)
On the other hand I don't understand how a problem with the driver would cause the strange display you described on the QB-9 in your original post. If you still had the DAC there are a lot of things we could try in order to locate the source of the problem.
For what it's worth I have seen many Windows-based laptops having strange problems waking up from "sleep" mode. Just last night my wife's Thinkpad (last of the IBM models running Win 2000) gave a error when trying to print. I told her that the first thing to always try is to simply reboot, and of course this solved the problem. I have a much newer Thinpad (a Lenovo product running Win 7 Professional 64-bit) and I put it to sleep every day. Usually after a week of this something goes amiss and I have to reboot to solve the problem.
In your case rebooting seemed to cause the problem. I have never run into this before, so cannot provide any definitive solution. If you still had the DAC we could try a lot of different things. However one thing is for certain -- sooner or later we will be able to solve the problem. We never give up and always keep working until everything is right.
Perhaps you can borrow a different sample (eg, a demonstration unit) from your dealer and see if that is the problem. Also you may try downloading the driver from the website again. The current version is 1.26 and can be downloaded from a link on the instruction page linked below. Please also note the following warning from that instruction page:
If you are installing the Thesycon driver to allow operation beyond 96 kHz in Windows, be sure to uninstall any other ASIO drivers (such as ASIO4ALL) that you may have installed. If both drivers are installed there will be conflicts and your computer will not operate properly.
Also simply running the DAC in Class 1 audio with the native Windows USB driver would allow us to figure out if the problem is with the hardware or the software. Another common cause of problems is poor USB cable, but this would cause clicks or pops in the audio and not the "blue screen of death" on the computer. Hang in there and I am certain that we will be able to solve the problem sooner or later.
Hello Charles,
Thank you very much for your reply. I feel very honoured.
First of all, I received the message from the Dutch dealer Audiac, that mij QB-9 unit is fixed and already shipped to me. I am very happy about that. Ik think you are in a very good position to figure out with Audiac what could have been the problem. From the brief feedback, I understood that there must have been some hardware issue as well.
These coïncidences make a diagnose very difficult, I guess.
Looks like I installed the latest version of the Thesycon driver, the link from the Ayre installation website. Is it possible that the instructions for windows 7 have changed a bit during the last weeks ?
Could it have been an inproper installation ?
Anyway, here's what I plan tot do next. For the moment I will continue playing with the Asio4all driver in 96KHz. My asus netbook doesn't have any problems with that. Within some months I plan tot buy a MAC mini. I guess I can go beyond 96KHz without any problems. This looks like a very well proven solution.
I am ready to give any kind of feedback to Ayre, I already mentioned that to the dealer.
I honestly admire your active communication and search for "perfectionising" (is that English ?? :-) your products.
It sounds as though there was a definite problem with the hardware of some sort, as the display also read "8 U 8" at Audiac. We sent them a set of replacement PCB's. When we receive the other ones back we will be able to figure out the problem. Typically it is just a bad solder joint.
As far as the Thesycon driver is concerned, almost certainly your problem is that you have the ASIO4ALL driver installed also. As noted on the website and also the post just above, this will create a conflict that can cause your computer to stop operating.
PLEASE be sure to uninstall the ASIO4ALL driver (and any other sound card drivers you have added to the system -- it is fine to leave the drivers installed for a laptop with a built-in sound card) BEFORE you try reinstalling the Thesycon driver.
We only recommend two programs for music playback on Windows -- either J.River or Foobar. If you are using J.River, select WASAPI Event Style output for the best sound. If you are using Foobar, go to Preferences, Output, and select the Ayre USB device from the drop-down menu.
These steps should solve all of the problems you have experienced. I am certain that there was a conflict between ASIO4ALL and the Thesycon driver. We made the instructions on the website before the Thesycon driver was available and the unit only operated in Class 1 Audio up to 96 kHz. There are some pages in our instructions recommending its use, and telling how to install it. This information is obsolete and we need to remove it from the website. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.
Hello Charles,
My QB 9 has arrived.
I think I studied the instructions well but I may have made some wrong judgements. Before installing the Thesycon driver I uninstalled the asio4all driver. But I don't know about the other drivers.
Like the windows driver for the QB 9; the driver for my old Cambridge Audio Dacmagic ? Do they conflict with the Thesycon driver ?
Then something I may have misunderstood: I use the Album Player for playback. In the instruction page Ayre "recommends" J River and Foobar, but I was not aware that I should choose one of both (and forget about the album player - so wasting a lot of time invested in album art, tags, album and track information).
Thanks again for the answers and concern.
Again, I may be giving some less-than-perfect advice. I have actually heard a lot of good things about Album Player software and it may be fine for your needs. I doubt that it will cause any conflicts with the Thesycon driver, while I know that the ASIO4ALL driver will.
The problem with Album Player is that its capabilities are relatively limited. As the name suggests, it plays albums, which is great. What is not so great is that most users also want to rip albums, transfer the files to iPods, compress to MP3 if necessary, possibly convert between formats and so forth. I looked at Album Player a while ago, and while I know that it will do some of these things, it wouldn't do all of the things that I wanted from a music player.
The problem is that there are literally hundreds of music player programs out there. We can't possibly provide setup instructions for all of them. Many of them have flaws that limit their performance. For example Window Media Player will only output Direct Sound. iTunes on a Mac is fine, but is no fun at all one a Windows machine (in my opinion). It takes a huge amount of installation space on your hard drive as it automatically installs many other auxiliary programs. (To get an understanding of this, look on the Support section of the Apple website for the instructions to uninstall iTunes on a Windows machine. There are at least four separate steps that have to be performed in a specific order.) In my opinion, it simply clogs a Windows machine up with a lot of unnecessary software.
So it's not really a case of "there are only two music player software programs that will work with the QB-9". Instead, we spent a lot of time looking at different programs and trying to find the best ones on an overall basis. For Windows, the two that we thought stood out above the crowd were J.River and Foobar, although for different reasons, and therefore best for different users.
J.River has a *very* complete feature set, and everything comes with the player. It will even play (and I believe even rip) Blu-ray discs. They are constantly improving the program and adding new features also. I thought it was much better than the competition back with version 14. Now they are at version 17 and there is an even greater advantage. There are only two real problems with J.River:
1) It costs $50, instead of being free like most playback software. (There is a free version with no video and some limitations to the audio playback, however.)
2) The program is so complete with so many features that it can be confusing to configure everything for the best performance. However, they have an online forum that is monitored by many J.River experts, including the lead developer.
I have never heard of anybody who purchased J.River and then later regretted it. They also offer a 30-day free trial so that you can make sure that this is the best software for you. Overall it is simply outstanding.
As far as Foobar goes, it doesn't have nearly the ease of setup of J.River. It will require a fair amount of time to set things up the way you want them. The online forum is through Hydrogen Audio, and they strictly forbid any discussion of sound quality. HA's philosophy is "bits are bits" and there is no way that a music player can affect the sound. But Foobar is quite customizable, and many third party developers have created many interesting add-ons. Finally Foobar is a totally free download, which is nice for many people.
I'm not saying that these are the only two Windows music players worth using. But I am saying that these are the only two fully-featured Windows music players that we felt offered enough merits that compelled us to include setup instructions for on our website.
At this point the main thing to do is to get the machine working. Now that the unit has been repaired (Audiac had an outstanding service department, and Michael is a extremely competent technician), I am confident that uninstalling the ASIO4ALL driver will solve your problems. At that point you can try many different music player software to find the one that is right for your.
Best regards,
Charles Hansen
Hello Charles,
I downloaded J River trial version, using wasapi event style.
Just like you mentioned, it is very complete.
Too in my opinion. A lot of features. Nice, like the theatre display.
But for playback, the Album Player is much more easy, "productive".
I alreay spent a lot of time in customising the interface>
But for the cover art in combination with the actual running paylist, I still prefer the Album player. But sill more than 20 days to go with the trial version of J River. I might change opinion.
I remarked that I did not do one of the instructions on the Ayre setup page. I didn't make my player take exlusive use of the DAC.
Could that make the Thesycon driver instability ???
Well, I just figured out
1. Perfectionising is not English :-)
2. Nothing has changed to the Windows setup instructions on the ayre website.
But my setup procedure was somehow different.
When installing the Tessycon driver I should disconnect the USB cable.
This did not work. I had to connect and already put the switch to RSrv B before installing. The setup program would not let me do different.
Perhaps this could be the problem ?
Edits: 07/10/12 07/10/12
The Thesycon driver can only be installed when the QB-9 (or DX-5) is attached to the computer and the rear panel switch is set to USB Class 2 Audio. This is completely normal as explained in a previous post.
I am sure that the problem is the fact that ASIO4ALL is installed. As noted on our website and also in a previous post, this will cause conflicts that can crash your computer. Please uninstall ASIO4ALL before attempting to reinstall the Thesycon driver.
Charles, you have been fmak'ed as have many other folks here.
He knows everything and enjoys interjecting off-topic remarks with nothing constructive to contribute. I have never seen him actually help anyone, only interrupt and criticize.
If you call him on it, he will lead you down a rat hole of wasted time and energy often resulting in insults and personal attacks.
Just so you know, many of us have been there! And many of us ignore him.
Abe, thanks for the advice. BTW, I have been enjoying reading your posts more and more lately. I find you to be a valuable contributor to the various forums. Thanks for your input to all the various posters.
Blaming, Ayre, or the QB-9 for these kind of problems is in error. Windows requires a driver for proper operation with USB Class 2 Audio because of a Windows problem: non compliance with the USB Class 2 Audio spec.
I am sure the OP will get this all straightened out with the help of Ayre's (excellent) tech support.
Computer audio has bit if a learning curve to get the correct settings for bit perfect, high resolution playback with the various different software players. It is worth reading up on all the features of your chosen playback software, so that you understand how the options affect playback, and may affect sonics. With the Ayre, I would recommend sending only native file rates to the DAC, and letting the QB-9 take care of filtering/oversampling (via Ayre's proprietary algorithms).
Getting the right settings will result in improved sound quality as well.
with this?
'These are some of the issues you get with 'driverless' or 3rd party driver installed hardware on the 'Sometimes Universal Serial Bus).'
If you read what people say here and elsewhere, they do have propblems and pulling switches, installing alternative usb drivers etc should be an 'easy' part of the setup.
"I blame yourself." (Actually he said, "I blame myself" but in this case I'll make an exception. I won't blame myself.)
We put a switch on the unit so that it would be compatible with any computer made in the last ten years or fifteen years. If you are using any Mac OS prior to Snow Leopard, or an older version of Linux, or don't want to install any drivers for Windows, then just set the switch for Class 1 USB Audio. You will be limited to 96 kHz maximum sampling rate, but this is not much of a limitation in the real world. Probably less that 0.001% of all music ever recorded is even available at resolutions higher than 96 kHz.
On the other hand if you want the capability to go to 192 kHz then you need Mac Snow Leopard or newer, a newer version of Linux, or install the Thesycon driver in Windows XP or newer (or maybe Microsoft will include it as part of Win 8). You also have to flip the switch on the back.
It's really not a big deal and it makes the unit compatible with any computer that has a USB port (which is pretty much every computer made for the last ten or fifteen years). I don't really understand why you think this is such a bad idea.
Hi. There is somehow a big misunderstanding that you need Snow Leopard to use UAC2. OSX Leopard also supports UAC2.
Yes, Leopard did support USB Audio Class 2. The catch was that it was still limited to 96 kHz and therefore provided absolutely no advantage over USB Audio Class 1. So if you are looking to go past 96 kHz, you need Snow Leopard or newer.
We were confused (and disappointed) about this too. We had thought that we could come out of the gate with 192 kHz support for at the Apple products, but the QB-9 was released before Snow Leopard. We actually delayed production of the DX-5 (disc player with USB input) until Apple released Snow Leopard and we had negotiated a deal with a Windows driver developer (Thesycon) so that the DX-5 could hit the ground running with support up to 192 kHz.
Leopard does only support UAC2 on the latest update 10.5.8 which came out after Snow Leopard gained support for it in 10.6.4 (I think)
I know this for a fact since 192khz is both selectable in 10.5.8 and my QB-9 says 192 on the display.
Of course all machines that support Leopard also support Snow Leopard, but not all people are comfortable doing the upgrade themselves or feel they really need (just to play some tunes). It is nice to know that their options are just the same as those with newer machines, at least hardware wise. You need to change this on your computer setup guide on the Ayre homepage as a LOT of people use this as reference.
I was unaware of this. Since the Snow Leopard update is only $30, it's not much of an obstacle and there are probably other changes as well. But we try for accuracy, so I will look into this and change it if appropriate. Thanks for the info.
I spoke with Gordon Rankin, developer of the Streamlength asynchronous USB audio connection we license from Wavelength. He said that the problem with Leopard was actually in the feedback pipeline for the asynchronous operation, and not the 192 kHz capability per se.
This was confirmed by our lead technician, Ryan, who has a much better memory than I do. This is what e-mailed to me regarding Leopard operating at 192 kHz:
"When we were developing the QB-9 192kHz, we did have a 10.5.8 computer
that we were using here at Ayre in the form of the Mac Mini. As Gordon
said, it works (displays 192kHz and even plays at 192kHz), but it was
getting occasional popping. This same behavior was also present with
10.6.3. I unfortunately have upgraded the computer to 10.6.4 since
then, so I can't go back to do it now, but I remember very
clearly that it did it then. I also am pretty confident saying that I
doubt Apple had the 10.6.4 fix in 10.5.8, as 10.5.8 was released August
5, 2009 while 10.6.3, which definitely has the problem was released
March 29, 2010 and 10.6.4 didn't come about until June 15, 2010.
"The pop issue we heard wasn't a constant popping, like you'd hear from a
dirty vinyl, but it was definitely there when you listened for an
extended period of time, probably showing up now and again every 3-10
minutes. So it's very possible he thinks it works, when in reality,
he's shorting himself some quality."
So we will leave our recommendation for 10.6.4 or newer on our website setup page. Leopard may work at 192 kHz with an adaptive USB DAC (if such a thing exists, as most people making adaptive USB DACs use the Burr-Brown devices that are limited to 48/16), but not reliably for asynchronous USB at sample rates above 96 kHz. If you own a QB-9 I would recommend either upgrading to Lion or waiting a few months for the next OS that is in the works, Mountain Lion.
The upgrade from either Snow Leopard or Lion appears to only be $20. Mountain Lion will only work with the newer Mac computers. I'm not sure how to upgrade from Leopard to Mountain Lion. It may require an intermediate upgrade to Snow Leopard first. But the general consensus has been that there have been improvements in audio quality in each of the recent releases of the new Mac OS's.
Thanks Charles. I´ll take your word for it, even though I can´t remember any popping or something like that. (Even Pure Music worked fine)
Snow Leo is what I would recommend anyways as it rock solid.
I am still using Snow Leopard also, although I have to use Windows for all my CAD programs. I am very happy with SL. The change to Lion eliminated the possibility of running in integer mode, which I had found to improve the sound. However most people said that Lion in non-integer sounded better than Snow Leopard in integer.
Now Audinirvana allows Lion to operate in integer mode. This apparently offers the best sound available from a Mac at this time. But Mountain Lion is coming soon, and all bets are off at that point. It could sound better, id could sound worse, it may or may not work with Audinirvana in integer mode, and on and on...
And for what it is worth, I also remember that certain models of Mac were susceptible to the "popping" problem. It was strange as Apple generally uses high-performance hardware for things like the USB peripherals. But some people including our sales manager at the time, Steve Silberman, had popping problems that we could never solve. Other Macs. like the Mini early 2009 version never had a single pop. You may have one of the machines that is immune to the problem.
He could be thrown into the trough of justice....just a thought ;)
This has nothing to do with anything. There are plenty of good 176.4/192k and dsd recordings around that audiophiles go for. Even some of the most originally anti hires inmates here have been buying them by the GB (or TB).
''On the other hand if you want the capability to go to 192 kHz then you need Mac Snow Leopard or newer, a newer version of Linux, or install the Thesycon driver in Windows XP or newer (or maybe Microsoft will include it as part of Win 8). You also have to flip the switch on the back.''
Many use PCs, and dacs with multiple inputs plus usb provide one stop drivers that just work.
If I am following your posts correctly, your opinion is that it is better to:
a) Have a USB DAC that REQUIRES a driver installation to even operate.
than:
b)Have a USB DAC that will operate up to 96 kHz with no driver installation required, or by flipping a switch operate up to 192 kHz with Mac and Linux and only require a driver installation with Windows.
If that is what you are saying, I strongly disagree as flipping a switch is a much easier thing to do than install a computer driver.
In any case we are both entitled to our own opinions. There is no "right" or "wrong" answer to this situation. As always, the final decision is up to each customer to make.
Many use PCs, and dacs with multiple inputs plus usb provide one stop drivers that just work.
True. And the most reliable of those USB drivers is probably Thesycon's. Your suggestion, made here and elsewhere, that it is anything else is, to be polite, ill-informed.
If I had the money, I'd buy an Ayre DAC tomorrow. Apart from its reputation for fine sound, one reason for my choice would be that its Windows driver is, from experience (yes, unlike you, I use it and know it), rock solid.
The OP has a minor config issue that has either been resolved already or will be pretty soon. Designer bashing is inappropriate here.
This is typical of your posting on the back of what others should have responded, in this case Charles Hensen.
If you want to play games, do it with yourself, or with 2-3 others here.
This is typical of your posting on the back of what others should have responded
You really are an insolent little troll. Charles Hansen dealt with the specific issue of his own product; Steve and I pointed out that your remarks about wider use of the Thesycon driver ("I have warned about 'driverless' and 3rd party driver USB audio devices . . .; "These are some of the issues you get with 'driverless' or 3rd party driver installed hardware on the 'Sometimes Universal Serial Bus . . .) were not made any more correct by being repeated.
In fact, you've talked gobs*** about the Thesycon USB driver in recent posts in this forum, in AA Digital and, IIRC, on DIYAudio. Your latest comment was just one too many. You clearly know absolutely nothing about the product and are misleading list members.
To correct the record, the driver works and works well. So, if I may, I'll borrow your aphorism - Get Lost.
How many times have you posted on the merits of cMP?
There is little basis to what you advocate, not even with the use of decent audio equipment.
Gee Fred what happened to:
If inmates find a big difference, I believe them instead of preach at them.
Ryelands, myself and many others did find big differences with the cmp2 recipe. But somehow you seem to preach at us. What a crock.
You never actually said you created a cmp2 box and listened to it.
DID YOU ACTUALLY BUILD ONE?
Or do you just know without hearing them how things sound??
I am guessing the latter. Fred just knows without listening....
Afterwards we discovered faith; it's all you need
A troll who accuses others of trolling
Damn - I seem to have mislaid my fly swatter.
Examine your brain
What I and others wouldn't [buy] is down to us.
True. But what's not down to you is the right to belittle products you know nothing about. I say the Thesycon driver (it's not a USB DAC BTW) is rock solid because I and dozens of others (inc, I note, Steve) have installed it and forgotten about it: it works day-in and day-out without trouble. As indeed a driver should.
You have no grounds for undermining the product, not that'll stop you trying.
no grounds for making the accusations. You read what you want to into what I said but this is down to your own pysche.
I've had no issues with Thesycon driver with W7. The Ayre uses Streamlength USB that is solid in performance.
really this simple. Good man-machine interfaces are newcomer (and even old comer) proof. It is not beyond a manufacturer to provide a one stop solution. Making excuses for this that or the other when inmates have trouble is more troublesome than bundling a simple install solution, or installing a switch which says MAC/PC/Linux input.If you don't need or want it for a narrowly focused set up, fine. However, judging from the no of posts of people having issues with switches and the ability to follow long instructions (read them), there has been an issue.
Edits: 07/04/12 07/04/12 07/04/12 07/04/12 07/04/12
If I understand you correctly, you don't like the Ayre QB-9 because of the switch for Full Speed USB or Hi Speed USB.
All I can say, is that I was able to master this concept relatively quickly, and enjoyed listening to this fine DAC on my system.
Based on the no of people who had issues and who asked for help here and elesewhere, and based on the number of assertions that there are no issues by inmates here, I'd say that is a human interface issue and that it should be 'sorted' vis installation software.
> > > Good man-machine interfaces are newcomer (and even old comer) proof
1) You recommend the Wyred: ""As soon as I selected the Wyred4Sound DAC2 in the sound devices window, the iMac crashed." NOT;
2) There is an entire thread discussing the merits of ignoring your (trolling) posts.
the article is so confusing throughout that I concluded it was the writer.
Six Moons is an advertorial based 'journal?'
"Good man-machine interfaces are newcomer (and even old comer) proof"
Funny how you're willing to make an exception to "support" your weak argument.
Ciao.
nt
''True. And the most reliable of those USB drivers is probably Thesycon's''
Show us the basis for saying this. Certainly there are more issues posted here than with other recent usb dacs.
What you want to buy it's up to you. What I and others wouldn't do is down to us.
"As soon as I selected the Wyred4Sound DAC2 in the sound devices window, the iMac crashed."
Gee, it took me 4 seconds for find an example of driver issues for your recommended DAC. Nice job, fmak!
Maybe you've never noticed that computer's are "complicated", with uncountable variations in hardware and software. These kinds of issues are more to do with computer than the DAC, Wyred or Ayre.
You want to join the list of bullies?
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