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In Reply to: RE: cPlay - the open source high-end audio player using ASIO posted by cics on May 05, 2008 at 12:31:58
Dear Inmates,
It´s very comforting to find more and more people having genuine interrest for cMP2. Now that I´ve done quite some advertizing for it, people come and need help (which I´m happy to do to my abillities).
So far it´s been about 6 or 7 mashines, that I´ve configured from scratch, so eventually I need a bit of a shortcut.
Doing an configured cMP2 image on a foreign SSD does not work...
I´ve understood that one can boot a "virtual" drive via CD/DVD by the means of an ISO image, but there is no way that this can be installed on a clean SSD partition, right ?
I´ll start doing a nLite installation disk instead, but how much more than the obvious can be configured via nLite ?
I guess AWE, .ini-file and minlogon has to go in afterwards ???
I´m not sure if I´m ready to deleting hives (yet), but maybe someone could summarise what can be done within nLite, and what would be the most logical steps afterwards....
Help & suggestions most welcome !
kind regards
cMP2 Computer w/digital crossovers & FIR filters > Lynx Aurora 8 FireWire /192kHz all channels. 2x AcousticReality Ref. 202 & 2x AcousticReality Ref. 601´s ICEpower. Magnepan MG3.3R beechwood frames & custom stands. Miller chokes
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Playmate!
I have used Paragons migrate OS software to successfully migrate to a clean SSD. I first installed the hotfix for XP2 pro for ssd on the original HDD. I have had zero problems for over a year on an H55 mobo, just updated to Serges update 21 corrected. I am assuming you are using identical motherboards.
T.
No worries!
Hello, play-mate! (please, excuse me, I do not yet know Your name).
if You are going to try the thing to produce a DISTRIBUTABLE iso, write to me, I will tell You how to obtain a VL version of xp pro, that will allow to delete the OOBE from the start. Also, I will send You my ini files for my nlite disk, that allows trouble free AWE, unlike the isos from Rick and Junaid. No problem here.
I'd like to focus the inmates' attention on the possibility of using a esata-sata cable with an external esata-usb hdd box. It will allow to power the sata hdd externally, but at the same time to avoid using esata on the mobo, just plugging the hdd into the sata slot master 0. This allows for even deeper registry reduction. Also, though I don't have JW's ISO, I'd try to contact with him, as I believe, that he has some how-tos about manually editing ini files in the iso. He will explain what I mean.
Ant mobo will fit, as long as it uses NO hdmi and other alternative video outputs. We all should experiment with battery powered mice.
To Dawnrazor, sir, please, wait a little, as I think we will soon see the post from one of our active cmp-users about memory timings on GA G31 MS2L mobo.
Also, about the timings, as far as I know, other folks experience very good results with modern mobos that allow to coldstart the cmp with EXTREMELY low voltage...
Serge.
Play-mate, sir, thank You for Your great initiative!!!
Hi Playmate,
You CAN put a "HDD-configured" CMP2 image on a new SSD. What is important is that you should align the ssd right. You can do it in a few different ways.
This is the way i did it:
- google for GParted and download (alternative: Parted Magic, it's a tiny OS containing GParted)
- google for GParted on USB and download the programm which makes a USB stick bootable and boots GParted
- start GParted by booting from USB
- when you find the ssd make the desired partition(s).
- BUT you should leve EXACTLY 1 MB unallocated (free) space BEFORE the first partition. Now "HDD-cmp" can find the firrst sector of your disk and boots.
- second action BEFORE creating the partition is to leave the box "Round to cylinders" checked. (i don't know exactly why, but i did it this way and it worked).
- now you can put the "hdd"-image on it; do not forget to copy the MBR
Another way is to put the ssd into a Windows-7 machine and partition the disk. Win7 recognizes an ssd and will do the right allignment itself.
I didn't try this method.
HTH
Douwe
Best thing you can do is run one of those programs (Russinovich Process Explorer?)that tells you what system32 files you need for your vst routines. Then delete all files/ hives per Jack and/or Serge.
Hi Theob,
so, what you´re saying is, that working with nLite, AWE, minlogon is no longer the way to go ??
I haven´t looked into the registry hives yet, as I missed the start of the discussion and the fishy parts.....I could probably catch up, but where to begin ? I´m sure you can imagine confusing it is to assemble all the bits, comments and threads on this matter....
This new configuration is not direcly for myself, but I´m naturally keen on staying "afloat" of new tweaks. This new setup is standard with Juli@.
For my own system with digital crossovers, FIR filters, FireWire, VST etc. I will have to do some more experiments with "Process Explorer", and see what works and what not.
That´s a different story.
Thanks for your help.
cMP2 Computer w/digital crossovers & FIR filters > Lynx Aurora 8 FireWire /192kHz all channels. 2x AcousticReality Ref. 202 & 2x AcousticReality Ref. 601´s ICEpower. Magnepan MG3.3R beechwood frames & custom stands. Miller chokes
No not at all. By all means do N-lite, awe, minlogon then do the Jack and Serge stuff.
Hey theob,Thx. for your input.
I´m about to asseble a kind of recepie on this, by going through this forums entire tree of comments and advice.....uh, gettin´dizzy....Since I´ve started the work on the german cMP2 website, and sort of taking a new approach on the guideance, I better get it close to right....
I will configure a completly new hardware along with re-writing the steps configuration.I found this nLite advice from rickmcinnies.
Does anyone have a comment before I perform these steps ? :
"Make an nLite install disk with the only the following remaining:
DRIVERS
IBM PS/2 TrackPoint (for obvious reasons)
HARDWARE SUPPORT
CPU Intel
Intel PCI/IDE Controller
OPERATING SYSTEM OPTIONS
SMBus contoller
Certificate Management
Group Policy Mgmt Console
Local Security Settings (this one might be done without. I will try eventually)
Out of Box Experience (if you delete this the machine will not work)
SERVICES
RPC Locator (figure cMP needs this)Make sure you disable Windows File Protection and Prefetch.
There are other things to do that should be obvious. Look at all of the choices after the main deletion menu. Many are personal taste choices and others disable or eliminate stuff you do not want. Do not rush through here the first time. Think about what you want.This will result in the fastest WINDOWS install you have ever experienced.
Install the chipset drivers
Implement MINLOGON
Install JULI@ - be sure to go ahead and turn off the undeletable AUDIO CODEC and to check "do not map through this device' and "do not use the mixer".
Implement AWE - when you type in ADMINSITRATORS it will tell you it does not recognize the name. Disregard the warning, cancel out, SAVE and restart.
Install cMP2 software. make sure all is working and check to see if "AWE successful" - if not go through the MMC process again.
Do the optimizations - you will find many of them moot due to this minimal installation.
On my current build I disabled the SMBus Controller in HARDWARE and now it is tricky to restart into STEPPE's BIOS. Next time I will leave this enabled. Anybody know how to RESTART without turning the PS on and off?
Disable the SERVICES. You will notice the list is much smaller and many are already disabled.
Do AUTORUNS. I took a chance (all worked out well) and checked a few of the VIDEO CODECS.
Use the Steppe REGISTRY mods all at once. Junaid's batch files make this quick and easy."
I will probably need further advice on the Registry Mods after this.
It would be great to recieve everones support for this undertaking, as I think the cMP2 project has become ripe for a serious update....Kind regards Leif
cMP2 Computer w/digital crossovers & FIR filters > Lynx Aurora 8 FireWire /192kHz all channels. 2x AcousticReality Ref. 202 & 2x AcousticReality Ref. 601´s ICEpower. Magnepan MG3.3R beechwood frames & custom stands. Miller chokes
Edits: 05/03/12
I am looking for the batch files of Junaid, can somebody help me to find them?
I can send u the Batch files if u need them. Let me know..
Junaid
All of the above plus "Multi-Processor Support". Make sure to retain it as well. Its very simple to remove unwanted dll & sys files by editing the 'textsetup.oem' file that goes with your nLite install. By doing this, you would no longer need to opt for file deletions, as you would already omit them before install, by means of the textsetup.oem file. Same goes for adding drivers as well as executables like Cicsmemoryplayer.exe or Cicsplay.exe. Edit the file with Notepad & remove unnecessary files that u do not need...
Junaid
You will not be able to access GROUP POLICY EDITOR in MMC but it does not seem to matter.
Once you get to cPLAY and check AWE, DIAGNOSTICS will say AWE SUCCESSFUL - so who knows when and if AWE is ever really successful! It was written that if you asked for AWE and it was "not there" cPLAY would exit. Who knows ...
None of the rest is needed unless you just want it.
The system will work fine.
One nice thing about an nLite XP Pro install is that you can usually delete all of the unnecessary stuff at one time.
Hey Jolida,
I´ll be okay with the mulithreading in BIOS, but what do you mean by "textsetup.oem" ???
Cannot find this file; nor "txtsetup.oem".....
Can you explain further, please.
Do we (ayone) have a complete summary list of unwanted DLL and drivers (in this context)?
Can´t wait to get it all up and running....
kind regards
cMP2 Computer w/digital crossovers & FIR filters > Lynx Aurora 8 FireWire /192kHz all channels. 2x AcousticReality Ref. 202 & 2x AcousticReality Ref. 601´s ICEpower. Magnepan MG3.3R beechwood frames & custom stands. Miller chokes
When u create an NLite disc, opt to create the installation in a folder on the desktop instead of burning the image immediately to a cd. The folder will contain a sub-folder named i386. It's inside this folder that the file txtsetup resides. It may be named as txtsetup.oem or txtsetup.sif.
When windows starts installing, it creates a list of files to be copied for installation. It is from this txtsetup file that it gets info of what to install & what not to. You can edit this file using notepad & remove or add any file you wish to. At first, it may seem a bit confusing. Just open the file with Notepad & look at its contents. You will, in no time, understand how the data in it is written to instruct windows to install which file in what directory. You can customise your xp install just by editing this one file. But before that, u need to be certain as to what set of files actually need to remain for your cMp installation to work without throwing up a missing file error. Just a bit of homework & you are good to go.. After editing the file, u can then burn the image to a cd to start installation as usual...
Serge & Jack have done an outstanding job of taking cMp to a level which might have seemed impossible for even a software techie to accomplish. Great job ;)
Junaid
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cMP2 Computer w/digital crossovers & FIR filters > Lynx Aurora 8 FireWire /192kHz all channels. 2x AcousticReality Ref. 202 & 2x AcousticReality Ref. 601´s ICEpower. Magnepan MG3.3R beechwood frames & custom stands. Miller chokes
Hi Leif,
I think Jolida is referring to the file LastSession.ini (or .inf) where you can find details on the installation and edit it through Notepad.
I highly recommend you not to restrict your cMP optimization to a classic one (by cics notes), otherwise SQ will be compromised - bass is missing. It seems that one has to go all the way with slimming optimizations to enjoy a full sound again.
You can keep your "normal cMP2" and compare it to "super cMP2" all the time...and then report back. :-)
It would be interesting to know from Steppe and other users who have implemented the change at what stage "sound is back", to know exactly what it made the "final" change for the better. Registry slimming?!
Hello, everybody!
First of all, I'd like to note, that Junaid's warning about multiprocessor support is extremely important, as it assures CORRECT hal.dll and correct initial kernel will be renamed to real hal.dll and ntoskrnl.exe DURING INSTALL. Yes, this is the windows' trick!
Next! It's much easier NOW to tell what files SHOULD remain after ALL, because the files to be deleted are LEGION.
I think that the difference between Julia and Lynx and Firewire-usb options will be 3-4 files, while their total number is less than a hundred.
I can once again post the pic of my system32 and drivers and fonts folder, or, if anyone needs, can write me for details. Warning! this is an NTFS-XP-PRO-LYNX version.
Serge.
Junaid! Welcome back!
Hey Leif,
I will configure a completly new hardware along with re-writing the steps configuration.
Great project and I cant wait for the write up.
Though I doubt it will help (me at least). The mobo you mentioned is not available here and no one seems to be able to recommend one that IS available or at least give any kind of guidelines I can follow.
So what does one look for in a mobo these days outside of a pci slot?
Here is a link that shows the current mobos that are available. Any thoughts?
Afterwards we discovered faith; it's all you need
Hey Dawnrazor,
Yeah, it´s a bit of a puzzle to find out how to give the project an easier approach, but putting together the last 6-8 month of discussions on hives, AWE, registry etc. Wat works and what not
...is indeed a challenge.
Of your list of MB´s I´ve found one that I think would be good :
GIGABYTE GA-H61M-S2H
You may expect that the BIOS settings are different, especially on the clock- and voltage settings in the M.I.T. section.
But since there are fewer "knobs" to screw up, it will be easier to find an acceptable balance.
kind regards
cMP2 Computer w/digital crossovers & FIR filters > Lynx Aurora 8 FireWire /192kHz all channels. 2x AcousticReality Ref. 202 & 2x AcousticReality Ref. 601´s ICEpower. Magnepan MG3.3R beechwood frames & custom stands. Miller chokes
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