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In Reply to: RE: in the Cloud ... posted by maxim on April 25, 2012 at 00:29:03
...many of them make a good point about the bandwidth and the amount of time it will take to do the first upload. Incremental uploads shouldn't be as bad. However, there are some so-called 'cloud' providers that allow you to send your first 'upload' to them on disk saving you the initial hours or days to get all of your large files up to their 'cloud'. But keep in mind, it will take you a long long time to get all your stuff back over the internet given bandwidth limitations.
Personally, I wouldn't bother with the 'cloud' just yet for my music collection. That being said, I am a firm believer in the benefits of a well integrated and executed cloud environment for many other tasks.
A well implemented 'cloud' is not just a remote disk........
Even though Apple is still working the kinks out of their iCloud, I find it immensely useful for most tasks. My Contacts, Calendar Appointments, Emails, Bookmarks, Photos, and Apps are all automagically sync'd among all of my Apple iDevices. Most of it works under Windows too but Windows is no longer my main operating environment so I haven't bothered to set it up on the Pee-Cees.
Our iPhones are automagically backed up to Apple's iCloud and I have first hand experience with how well this works. My wife's iPhone 4S developed a hardware bug leaving the bright LED ON at all times. One call to Apple support, FedEx Overnight of a new iPhone 4S, and the iCloud got my wife back on the air in no time.
We powered up her new iPhone (which arrived the next morning), went into settings, and told it to provision itself from her iCloud account. Magic! In less than an hour her phone settings, all of her apps, Contacts, Calendar entries, To-Do List, Email accounts, bookmarks, photos, etc. were all "back to normal" on her new iPhone. No fuss. It just works!
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What happens if there's a cloudburst?
Jim
http://jimtranr.com
> What happens if there's a cloudburst?
The best post in this thread.
Bill
What happens if the earth goes super nova and our pants catch fire?
Cloudburst Raining Digital Bits
> and our pants catch fire?
We'll be em-bare-assed.
But don't worry, an iPhone will protect you. Great 3G coverage!
Bill
forget 3G or 4G. I'm counting on the "Beam me up Scotty" iPhone App to be available before the cloudburst supernova catastrophe.
compared to other countries.....
USA has some of the worst Internet and cell phone access going....
And with the way we embrace monopolies here, it's not going to get better. The cloud is not a viable solution, and it doesn't look like it ever will be, at least in the USA.
I am watching companies that tout this, and steering clear...
"In this land right now, some are insane and they're in charge. To hell with poverty, we'll get drunk on cheap wine."
the reasons and motives for offering free storage of any kind, and why do computer users go for it?
Worth discussing.
front loading....
When they build a nuclear power plant, the contractor/salesman is long gone, gotten paid, and has flown far away. He cares not that the welds are not done to spec.
That leaves room to charge a ton of money when the hard drives get close to being full. They don't ever tell people that their connection is too slow to access anything. "Well, - we offer this 'second-tier' service that everyone is moving too, it's only $49 more per month."
"In this land right now, some are insane and they're in charge. To hell with poverty, we'll get drunk on cheap wine."
Surely inmates know this and do not pay up for the costly service. No?
f.b.n. fly by night.
"The cloud is not a viable solution, and it doesn't look like it ever will be, at least in the USA."
Please define "cloud" before you say "it" is not a viable solution. ;-)
The general public has no idea what "the cloud" is. In fact, many businesses are still defining "the cloud". There are public and private clouds, web based cloud services, Software as a Service, Platform as a Service, Infrastructure as a Service, Managed Service, Service Commerce, etc. etc.
My best explanation, - in lieu of too much elucidation, - is any website, or hosting site that you have to pay a 3rd party ISP to get to.
If someone like "Unwired.com" gives you some hard drive space at their facility on their line-of-sight link, - then woo-hoo. But something like Unwired.com isn't cheap; and therefore not viable.
In this case, - me saying the cloud, - is anything beyond the standard, 600ft of CAT5 or wireless connectivity on your own router.
One cannot get effective internet access that makes music "usable" outside your home, and it's not going to improve: IMO.
"In this land right now, some are insane and they're in charge. To hell with poverty, we'll get drunk on cheap wine."
My entire library is available, via lossy format, on any iDevice at any time. Skiing in western CO. Beaching in the Carribean. Business in Vermont. Moving a child from NJ to CT.
To say the cloud isn't quite 'there' is nonsense.
--eNjoY YouRseLf!.....
You're committing the same error of assumption...
"In this land right now, some are insane and they're in charge. To hell with poverty, we'll get drunk on cheap wine."
Apples fee-based Music Match service is not syncing, it's using cloud services.
--eNjoY YouRseLf!.....
Cool....
I am not quite in Tony's boat. But, I have a giant database that is too big for icloud, and I don't want to use lossy formats.
Glad that it's working for you.
Cheers,
"In this land right now, some are insane and they're in charge. To hell with poverty, we'll get drunk on cheap wine."
For some of us, lossy format is unacceptable. I'd rather listen to silence.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
In a car? On a plane? Skiing downhill? You're such a pompous ass. Music lover? I doubt it.
--eNjoY YouRseLf!.....
There's no shortage of them in this forum.
Always quick to shit on someone aren't you?
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2137152/Lonely-life-techno-addict-thousands-48-hours-speaking-human.html
Yeah, you're a real specimen.
And you're the same low end stroker.
IT and technology guys are way out of their depth when it comes to reality, risk, and probity.
In Britain, idiots like political advisers to key ministers are still being described openly in emails by News Corp staff as providing sensitive information illegally! These young turks never learn.
"In a car? On a plane? Skiing downhill? You're such a pompous ass. Music lover? I doubt it."
What kind of music are you talking about? Music that is designed to be enjoyed by idiots so that there will be a mass market?
When I drive a car, fly a plane or ski I don't listen to music. These activities require one's full attention for safety. Also, one must be able to hear outside noises, which makes it necessary to play decent music (which has dynamics) at such high volume as to be dangerous to one's hearing. If one has noise cancelling headphones then it is possible to enjoy music as an airline passenger. However, I do this as infrequently as possible as I don't like to be treated like cattle and irradiated and molested at the security theater checkpoints.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
My Contacts, Calendar Appointments, Emails, Bookmarks, Photos, and Apps are all automagically sync'd among all of my Apple iDevices
..yet another obscure and incomplete thought from fmak. Please elaborate.
Like getting hit with a stupid stick.
It's funny. When some of these guys give their views on non-audio issues, you start to see how completely out of touch with reality they are. Should put their audio opinions in a better light.
that is your problem.
Most who are not wedded to technology would be cautious as identity theft is a FACT of life.You have also been Tony Laucked and mls-stled over your naive assertion.
Edits: 04/25/12
"If you are divorced from reality..... that is your problem."
I don't have a problem with technology and the conveniences of modern life. I'm not the paranoid hiding under a rock!
"You have also been Tony Laucked and mls-stled over your naive assertion."
And what assertion might that be? Are you imagining something?
More fmak'ian non-sense.
can be far too cavalier for their own good.
Sums his response up.
Once people start to develop trust in the "Cloud" they might start to put more and more personal information there....anything can be hacked. The cloud will also make for easy access by the Gov into the personal goings on of 'suspected' people.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
Remember the secret police of East Germany amassed a database of human scents to track down possible suspected subversive citizens. The Stasi collection held over 180,000 samples of urine and other biological material. Really, 180,000 of their own citizens dangerous, I mean really?!... I say total BS, it's institutional paranoia and insanity.
Surely the citizens of countries are dangerous.....Hmmmm
From Wiki:
In total, 7,225,800 adults were under correctional supervision (probation, parole, jail, or prison) in 2009 — about 3.1% of adults in the U.S. resident population.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
written by a Hatter. Furthermore, I would say that any government that collects and stores a couple hundred thousand urine samples is the very definition of insanity in my book.
By the way, the Stasi “collection” was righteously destroyed after the wall fell. Now, however the German government is rebuilding such a collection under the BS rubric of anti-terrorism.
Holy crap! What a bunch of paranoids!
from the months after the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 recount what the German people discovered when the Stasi Headquarters building was raided.
Nor did I infer that putting data in the Cloud was somehow equivalent to handing over your DNA.
And, for your information it is the British that have the largest DNA database in the world with over 6 million individual samples, more than 10% of the population. There is even a Daily Telegraph article on this subject if you care to look it up and the Telegraph is generally considered to be a conservative-leaning UK newspaper not some tabloid rag.
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It would be paranoid to question the purpose of that database.
Good sheep don't ask questions.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
Far too many people happily lining up to be the sheep.
Wait till he gets his identity stolen, then he'll learn the lesson of being cavalier about security.
Yea, you're right. You can't be too careful today.
I'm with you on this one, Fred.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
I strike a balance between cavalier and paranoid but thank you all for being so concerned for my well being. ;-)
FYI any pic taken from your iPhone also reveals your exact location within 15ft.Now anyone who wants too can find out exactly were you live.
Is that important to you???
See link for News
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
Edits: 04/27/12 04/27/12 04/27/12
"FYI any pic taken from your iPhone also reveals your exact location within 15ft."
Only if you leave your geolocation tagging information enabled. One swipe of a button and it's disabled, as we've done for both of our iPhones. BTW, many cameras have this feature too.
And why is that Monkey staring at me like that!?!?!?!
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
Keep in mind that all of your private data will be in the Cloud and can be read by the service. In addition, under a new "cyber security law" any of this data will be accessible by the NSA without a warrant. So much for the 4th Amendment.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Keep in mind that all of your private data will be in the Cloud and can be read by the service. In addition, under a new "cyber security law" any of this data will be accessible by the NSA without a warrant. So much for the 4th Amendment.
I'm not worried. NSA does not specifically look at my information and they have no need to want my information, unless I give them a reason to. The banks and credit card companies already have my "private" information as do many other organizations including online commerce sites where I buy and sell things.
I'm not too concerned with the 'evil cloud'.
You're right that most of us have a lot of financial info floating around on the internet - credit cards, social security numbers, health info, and the like, but off-site storage of music does introduce a new element.
"Copyright trolling" is an increasingly common situation where law firms are actively searching the internet for alleged violations of copyrighted info.
I have a friend who recently received a 35 page subpoena, via his ISP, for an alleged violation 8 months ago of downloading a movie he'd never even heard of. (I know this fellow well enough to be certain the allegation is BS on several levels.) He's now going to have to hire an attorney to sort things out.
ISPs automatically fork over the requested customer data when they receive these subpoenas, so its a natural next step for the trolls to start requesting info about large batches of copyrighted material being stored by a customer in a cloud setting. The burden of proof would fall on the customer to prove their copyright innocence versus the troll having to prove the opposite.
In short, for a lot of us, it is going to be quite a while before the level of trust is sufficient to store one's music collection in cyberspace. It's just too cheap, fast, easy and risk-free to keep a couple of spares on external USB drives versus the known and potential hassles of the cloud.
to dump every physical media copy of everything they own as fast as they can anyway. What is it, are they living in a 10 x 10 metro apartment and simply don't have any space at all? How much room can the average collection of media take up; a bookcase, a cabinet, some storage boxes???
In the example I noted, the concern has little to do with losing your physical copy of the data, but rather the cost of litigation if you're sued for copyright infringement as a result of your cloud storage.
If you do a Google search on "copyright troll", you'll find this is a very active area. While to date, this has been primarily focused on the peer-to-peer file sharing aspect, there is little doubt that the plaintiff attorneys are always on the lookout for ways to expand the field.
What happens when they discover your thousands of CDs ripped to the cloud server and demand that you prove each and every one was legitimately acquired? One can spend a lot of time and money on legal defense even when you've done nothing wrong.
I took it that many who are so anxious to store their media in the Cloud were wishing to store all their collection electronically so they could then dump their physical media.
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