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In Reply to: RE: Something is Wrong Here-No posted by Mercman on April 10, 2012 at 12:10:00
I'm with Fred on this one. We're both engineers and don't like BS.
I'll try out a cheap tweak for amusement purposes, but I'm not going to spend more than an hour's pay for something that doesn't come with a credible description of what it does and how it works. I wouldn't have the slightest interest in even listening to it in the absence of evidence of some sort. That evidence would have to come from someone who has technical experience of component interaction and system setup and some experience conducting scientific experiments. Without a description of the physical principles behind a device, I wouldn't begin to presume how to even conduct a valid experiment to see if a gadget worked. I have enough experience with listening tests to know how easily they can fool someone.
I were going to investigate some new physical principles embodied in some device that I consider having a low probability of working, I would expect there to be a huge potential payoff involved before I would waste my time on it. (It might make sense to experiment with cold fusion devices, but not some audiophile tweak that has been reported to expand a soundstage beyond the size of an actual concert stage. So what?)
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
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"I wouldn't have the slightest interest in even listening to it in the absence of evidence of some sort."
Actually, I'd love to try it, if I couldn't hear any effect, that would be fine, if I could that would be interesting.
Evidence-wise Steve is a pretty good witness in my book and he likes it. Actually that's the only thing lending this device any credibiliity. Of all the audiophilish things I've heard of, this one seems to be at the limit, even it's putative function is fuzzy!
So if you happen to come by one of these bases treat it as the black box that it is. Not knowing what it does should remove all sorts of biases from your test...
Regards, Rick
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Clear to me Steve has no vested interest in the product and is willing to share his experience. That's what this place is partly about.
Regards,
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Absolutely he is not trying to promote the product even with glowing reviews. But I do think Steve is right when he said he is "out of step with this forum" because few if anyone here is willing to spend $1k for the product.
Conversely there are dirt cheap products that I try like crystals, that I will never come on 'this' forum and explain the benefits of simply because I know no body here is interested in trying them...
Of course people will be dubious, especially when a product does not adequately describe how it works. Surely no body would expect people to openly accept this without question.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
I'm sorry I wasted you time."It might make sense to experiment with cold fusion devices, but not some audiophile tweak that has been reported to expand a soundstage beyond the size of an actual concert stage"
I never stated that.
Enough.
Edits: 04/10/12
You don't like the price of the device in question - and neither do I. But...
There's pretty good probability that crystals are involved, in one form or another, in construction of Tranquility base. There's also pretty good theories WHY piezo- and pyro-electric crystals affect sound quality.
How many times did someone mention here, on Tweakers etc. that crystals make audible difference, including in computer audio applications?
Time involved is less than 30 min. to complete eBay order, and however much you need to conduct listening test. Money involved - around $10-15.
Is the fact that you haven't bothered to try them ALSO explained by the reasons that you mentioned in your post?
tried crystals and can certainly hear a difference. Not always good like the 'a-typical' claim but a difference non-the-less. With the right crystal the audible change is nothing short of outstanding.
I too thought crystals were involved based on the explaination of the sound improvements.
Dynobots Audio
Music is the Bridge between Heaven and Earth - 音楽は天国と地球のかけ橋
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