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In Reply to: RE: Being Away really helps posted by steppe on January 31, 2012 at 10:41:36
is none at all.
Just deleted the whole thing and my machine works faster.
Also, configured the RECYCLER (the first one, the BIG one, to delete stuff immediately so no space is allotted for it.
I had had D&S down to about nothing anyway and this discussion got me to think just what is it doing anyway.
Nothing useful.
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not sure if it is connected but I was able to delete everything else in Default.
If you delete Default entirely the system does not seem to be able to locate ntoskrnl but the system works fine without anything else.
I haven't tried this yet, but I believe if one maps a network drive that mapping is in DEFAULT so one can't just empty this hive. Anyone know different?
My fear was unfounded.
The batch file on bootup method for establishing network drive has never worked consistently on my computer. I don't know why. It works once then not again on most attempts to keep using it. One can map a drive once that persists on restarts. One simply needs to open the directory on that drive--e.g., by clicking cMP icon and then add button then + by drive letter-- to make it accessible to cMP.
Anyone know different?
If you log on with a batch file, esp if you use Serge Mihaylov's routine (which works very well), you don't need to keep drive mapping details regardless of where they are stored. Whatever, I managed to delete everything in the default hive. (IIRC, it's only what the OS uses as the default settings for a new user.)
Some stuff kept reappearing but, by using Rick M's "permissions" routine and/or deleting tree by tree from the bottom upwards, I eventually got shot of everything. Like steppe, I'm down to 8KB, still networking and liking the sound.
I've also now deleted the Docs & Settings folder. I heard no difference from doing so but it was all but empty in any case.
I did the same on my second machine but here, though the Default hive definitely had nothing in it, it was reported as 256KB. I therefore copied the 8KB file over from the other box and restarted. It's now working a treat (inc the network) and sounding very fine, better than I've had before.
Top marks to the Reg guzzlers . . .
which is one reason why I remain skeptical that networking will result in a superior cMP machine.
There is so much one has to leave in that in my opinion cannot possibly compensate for eliminating the mouse and the monitor.
Compromise is always there and each of us has to make the one that suits us best.
I have never tried nor heard a network installation so I have no idea what the difference would be. I do know that I thought there was much to gained with getting rid of all USB stuff and that is what I base my opinion upon. Whether the 1394 stuff is as polluting is a mystery.
Serge Mihaylov did the original registry slimming for his network installation and his hives pictures are available a little further down.
An excellent place to start. It is where I started and is the true pioneering work on slimming the registry. His pictures are of an active registry so you will have to keep that in mind when working with hives.
To differentiate: Serge of the Steppes registry work was finding items whose elimination improved the sound. Mihaylov took registry slimming as an end unto itself as the path to improving sound and took a wholesahe approach to deletions - get rid of anything that is not needed for the machine to work and the end result will be the best sounding installation.
Needless to say Mihaylov was inspired by Serge's minimization of the .dlls and such. Talk about hyper-threading ...
I much prefer working with the hives. Much less complicated; not as much duplication!
I accuse myself of being a naysayer in hopes I will be proved wrong.
Another case of that, here.
The result is super!
I have
1. deleted documents and settings folder with ntuser.dat in it, rebooted into cmp - works.
2. Rebooted into normal windows, loaded default hive, deleted everything inside, compacted to 8kb, rebooted into cmp - works.
3. Booted into normal windows, loaded system hive, asked for permissions to delete ControlSet02 and changed the permissions as You described. Won't delete at first because of lynx, but I opened inside and deleted Lynx inside ControlSet02 manually, then I was able to delete ControlSet02 itself completely. Rebooted into cmp - WORKS GREAT!
The added clarity in the middle of the stage (deepwise), more pronounced and drier (in the good sense of the word) bass, tighter and better defined. Longer sounding instruments in the mids A very good deletion tweak! Recommended FOR EVERYONE!
Serge.
Hey Steppe,
loaded default hive
Sorry to be so daft, but how does one do that???
Afterwards we discovered faith; it's all you need
I have another computer, that has "normal" windows (untweaked) on it. I boot into this windows with my cmp hdd attached as a slave, run regedit, place my mouse on HK_local_Machine (see picture) It MUST BE THE HKEY LOCAL MACHINE, then say - file - load hive and browse my cmp hdd to find windows\system32\config folder. There You will find system, software, SECURITY, SAM and default hives. Select default and say yes (or open) The dialog appears to assign a temporal name. I usually assign the name 000. say ok. Click now on Your HKEY_Local_Machine and under it You will see 000, That's Your (default in this case) hive. Please note, that default means default user, not some general default hive.
Please note for convenience that in my setup I have an external sata/usb box with a hdd that is a cmp system disk, It is attached to cmp machine with esata cable and simultaneously attached to the working normal machine with USB cable. The power is from a wall outlet via 220 v adapter. When I listen to the music, but when I switch the cmp machine off it automatically is recognised as a USB flash drive)
Hope this is not confusing, but read and perform everything with care, and no harm will come to Your system. It's much easier than it reads.
Serge.
a pioneer in exterminating all the registry crap! And I am at awe at your courage, as You delete the things I would otherwise not dare touch! So, do I understand correctly, that
1. I delete documents and settings with ntuser.dat in it completely and
2. after that I load default in another windows regedit and delete EVERYTHING inside it, leaving an "empty shell" of a hive, just name...
Do you compact it afterwards?
Serge.
But you see how simple it was!
There is nothing to fear! Make images or copies of the pre-deletions config folder and give it a try!
I tried deleting DEFAULT entirely and the machine could no longer find ntoskrnl. Since the compacted DEFAULT is 8kB there is obviously a few things left in there we cannot access. Undoubtedly there is a reference to ntoskrnl in there.
Also, go ahead and delete RECYCLER. You will first have to go into RECYCLER/pick one of the bins/PROPERTIES/ADVANCED/ GLOBAL/click do not move stuff to the recycle bin. Then go to the drive in question (within the same box) and say not to send stuff to the recycle bin. Then you can delete the folder entirely. If you have two recycle bins do this for both.
Can't say it makes a difference but part of the cumulative effects that we believe minimizing WINDOWS will culminate.
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