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In Reply to: RE: cPlay - the open source high-end audio player using ASIO posted by cics on May 05, 2008 at 13:31:58
Hi All,With help of Douwe01NL I finally also succeeded in getting an ‘Jolida’s nLite Disc’ and installed it.
The Installation process is also an unattended process.
So one can sit back and watch it happen just like with Mini XP.
I only had too install network drivers and the ESI-Juli@ drivers.
When I installed Foobar I got and error because dsound.dll was missing.
After I copied a dsound.dll-file from the Mini XP installation, Foobar installed without any problem.I have 3 (2,47 Gb) partitions on my little 8 Gb Kingstone SSD, so comparing SQ is really easy this way.
I Just reboot into another partition.Already with the first music tones coming from Jolida’s version it was very clear too me: Jolida’s standard version sounds MUCH better than the standard Mini XP install.
Much more micro details, better imaging and better sound quality.
Especially in the upper-bass and lower-mids regions SQ improved very much.Roughly checking the registry it turned out that Jolida’s version had more tweaking done geared towards sound quality than the Mini-XP version. Mini-XP still had 3 performance counters working. In Jolida’s version all were diabled. Checking the audio-codecs: Mini-XP still had them all in, Jolida’s version only had 2 audio codecs left (MP3 and WAV). Also unnecessary hardware like WAN Mini Ports, Direct Parallel, ect where not present.
In the registry I only had too ad: disable CD autorun and the disabling the wathdog bug checking.So all in all Jolaid’s version is much better optimized for (networked (internet)) audio playback than Mini XP is.
Which is immediately and very easy audible with the first music tones played (with Foobar).I also swapped in an Steinberg MR816x converter from a friend of mine.
And again: the SQ differences where immediately audible between Mini XP and Jolida’s version.
Also on the Steinberg MR816x, Jolida’s version has much better audio SQ.So very recommended this nLited XP version from Jolida !.
And if you are not able too create Jolida’s slimmed XP version yourself with nLite (like me) ask somebody too do it for you or help you with it.Mark
N.B. I’m not using the stock Juli@-digital part. In my setup the 3.3 volt and 5 Volt too the ESI julia digital part are separately powered from a 12 Volt linear bench PSU. The 12 volt DC is first filtered in with various L-C filters (ferrites, coils and caps) and than post regulated too 3.3 V and 5 V which than again is post-filtered before being fed into the Julia digital part .(Julia stock 3.3 regulator is unsoldered/removed and the 5 volt PCI power lanes from the MoBo are cut)) This tweak ‘quantum-leaped’ SQ in my setup.
cMP2 PC > ESI Juli@ > Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII > Lavry Black DA10 > XLR Mogami Gold > Klein & Hummel O300
Edits: 01/27/12Follow Ups:
Would it be better if SP2 is slipstreamed to SP3 in Jolida's nLite install?
How do u think it would be Advantageous?? I guess not. Unless u have hardware which need sp3 support, u would only be populating the install more..!!
Junaid
I am asking because this file Multiprocessor LAST SESSION.INI I downloaded courtesy of Bibo01 shows the ENV and Target to be SP3.
Edits: 01/30/12
Mark,
I'm glad u liked the nLite. Yes, it does sound quite good straight out of the Box. When I first installed it, I felt absolutely no necessity to make tweaks or running my Batch files. I am still at the stock nLite state with just a few registry mods & the boot.ini switch which serge suggested. All in all, it sounds clean, & as I put it "more-balanced" throughout the music spectrum.
Certain cMp set-ups respond different to file deletions & reg tweaks. Which is why even after all these months, we still have a few who are happy with the steppe 4 to 4.5 segment.
NLite by default sounded very promising so I let it run & now am very carefully tweaking areas which show potential. With so many flavours of cMp, some with Linears, some with batteries & some with the stock smps supplies, one needs to custom-tailor their set-up according to the rest of their line-up. At the end of the day, it's all about getting things right for YOU..!!!
Junaid
Hi Jolida,
I am still at steppe 4.5. But over the last copule of months I had installed all the Fishy Secrets, the Shell32 slimming, the automatic Registry slimming, and boot.ini tweaks (got to thank Serge for all the wonderful finds). I had now starting to manually slimming the Registry-massive deletion according to a slimmed down sample that is currently flowing around. I had just started last night cutting down the SOFTWARE hive by 40% (still huge comparing to Serge's but it's a start). The effect is quite dramatic. With immediacy and blackness of background that I had never been able to achieve on a digital setup. One has to try it.
I will definitely try nLite on the new server.
KC
The less stuff there is at install the less stuff there is in the registry.
nLite does allow you to make a few setings that are effected by the registry like disabling SFC and pre-fetcher, balloon tips, etc..
If you want to take the next step I would be glad to send you a minimized config file that you can use to truly tweak the registry.
Most likely you can simply insert default and software since you are using JULI@. Are you using the H55 MB?
Getting rid of superfluous stuff in registry makes every bit as big a difference as a minimal nLite installation.
Hi Rick,
I checked some more registry settings and you are right.
Only some registry values are changed and other registry values are simply missing.
Never the less, the standard Jolida’s nLited XP, sounds really very good even without all these registry tweaks.
I’m not using an H55 MB.
I’m still using G41M chipset MoBo and dual-core processor on 775 socket.
But and a H61 Mobo and a dual core Celeron 1155 and DDR3 Dimms are on its way.
PCI slots are disappearing so I ordered a new MoBo as I expect in a year there will be no more new MoBo’s with PCI slots (which would mean I can not use my tweaked ESI Juli@ card any longer)
I would be happy and thankful if you are willing too send a registry config file too minimize my registry too see what that does for extra sound quality. Thank you for that.
Mark
cMP2 PC > ESI Juli@ > Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII > Lavry Black DA10 > XLR Mogami Gold > Klein & Hummel O300
Funny, though I can get the H55 one EVEN smaller than the H61 which is purely academic and cosmetic.
I really like the H61 and think it is better than the H55 just as Jack Wong reported.
Consider removing the chips per Mr. Wong. I had removed the chips from the H55 so I am able to compare the two fairly.
I hope we do not lose the ability to use JULI@ any time soon. No ohter card allows easy access to I2S and that is what I am committed to.
Obviously, you have got over any fear of the non-native PCI support. I sure have. No doubt it made a difference at one time but time has brought improvements.
Send me an email to my moniker and I will forward the H61 folder to you.
Something to consider, if you want your config folder to be as small as possible (and why not?) use /minint in the boot.ini file to eliminate all of the useless logs. Can make a difference of 100kB in the size which becomes significant when the folder goes below 500kB.
There are logs within each hive along with the logs you see when you open the folder.
You will be surprised how good JULI@ can sound when all of the superfluous junk is deleted in DEVICE CLASSES.
You still will need to use your head, especially with SYSTEM. Repeating myself you will likely be able to insert SOFTWARE and DEFAULT as is as long as you are willing to deal with no features at all, though no different than getting rid of EXPLORER. The computer becomes a dedicated transport when this is done.
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