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In Reply to: RE: Fishy secrets part 4 or real AWE posted by steppe on January 14, 2012 at 17:18:11
It is 753KB rather than 2.03MB for xp sp2's version. It works great, at least in my mini-xp installation From observing task manager processes it seems to reduce the overall amount of RAM used more than that so perhaps it calls on fewer functions while still playing beautifully. Those adept with process explorer and the like can determine this. The IoPageLockLimit increase should now be functional. I will proceed to do a sound comparison. I hope others do too.
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I am using that and was when I installed the earlier ntoskrnl.exe. Perhaps not using this is the cause of the puzzling difficultes for others when I had no problem at all. I have not slimmed my mini-xp a la either Serge but have done all other cics mods, tweaks, boot.ini changes, etc.
Steppe seems to have made the substituion: what version of xp were you using, Serge, and in what state of tinkering?
using this substitution my internet connection went down. Well, from the start.
1. The kernel manipulation is only one part and THE ABSOLUTELY LAST part of the big tweak that is coming. It is exactly this and one more thing that remain unstable.
2. You can use another kernel. Mine is named neptune.exe, it's a w2k kernel from a no sp version of w2kxp pro. To use it one has to copy it into system32 folder, reshack it and rename, next open your boot ini and type /KERNEL=neptune.exe (or whatever name). It will substitute ntoskrnl.exe for ntldr - the small os loader program which sits in the root directory, e.g. C:\
This substitution is possible as a permanent one and even allows you to completely remove the file ntoskrnl.exe, it will even produce2 entries in the registry system hive. Smth funny, like JustWorking neptune.exe and modify the registry entry cotrolset001-control
However, THERE IS NO NEED TO DO IT. This substitution was made obsolete soon after Grant expressed his interest. Matter is, there is another kernel file, that we don't pay attention to - ntkrnlpa.exe - it's a kernel, that's loaded into memory but not used unless you have specify it with /3GB switch in boot ini and /pae setting. Now whenever we restart our cmp machines, BOTH kernels are in memory, though one is passive. I have made countless takes on deleting the second kernel - the result IS GREAT, but it will kill the machine on the next start up with BLACK screen of death. Problem is that w2k kernel is insufficient alone. while xp ntoskernl.exe IS SUFFICIENT. Moreover, it sounds better alone than a lighter w2k kernel+ mtkrnlpa.exe. So the best thing to do is AFTER ALL THE TWEAKING AND WITHOUT EXPLORER to add /nopae and /mimint to your boot ini and then remove ntkrnlpa.exe. This leaves us with our native xp kernel ALONE. It doesn't only sits well in its own place it is self sufficient and sings better that w2k+ntkrnlpa, due to its better memory-cpu routine. The substitute w2k kernek is lighter and it ALONE sings smoother, but it is a little bit dull in the highs. The native eats more memory, but is vivid without harshness and more dynamic. So, thanks to Grant for his interest and sorry for this late warning. So, kernel is a component itself.
Serge
P.S. If You managed to roast your registry with this substitution, you only have to replace it, delete all logs, recopy all native kernel files from installation disks (as there is a timestamp on them) and reboot.
and it was no big deal to get rid of it.
Has not been on my list of files for a long time.
I thought this was part of the standard deletions though I have not gone back to see.
Had no problems deleting it.
Maybe this is why I have been so pleased with the sound I am hearing?
I have not renamed ntoskrnl so maybe that is why I have not seen anything like what you wrote in my registry.
deleted it and are living good with native kernel, better don't attempt to substitute. It may work for as long as the system is on. Once you reboot, you get a black, not blue screen and it will ask you to replace the wrong kernel. As for the shell, try first to substitute common controls+ common dialogs + shell lightweightapi. Don' remember their names correctly, and after that - the big shell.
Serge
I have tried in every way (which I thought I had already told you) to insert that, even going back to the original installation to see if it would be accepted then.
I am starting to think since it seems impossible, to not worry about it.
Maybe some new inspiration will strike and I will see a way.
Waiting, impatiently, to see the new regimen.
Unlike Ted I do not say take your time! Let us try and see what happens.
according to your method and hives. default is like yours 16 kb, sowtware - only 80, but mine is different than yours because of lynx. With system, I was doing and laughing - there are man even madder than me (in the best sense of the word). Really, what You deleted, I would never even dare to touch... I deleted everything and compacted. Was happy, as my windows folder with unhacked yet fonts and system became only 19,6 mb in size - it is just as I hoped for. Unfortunately, it didn't boot - got a bsod, but I think I know why - ennums and especially acpi devices. Looks like I managed to delete a coprocessor or motherboard - I was in a hurry. Will try to this weekend. As for the big one, You and others already know part of it - it's file substitutions from w2k and xphome, yes, also from xp home. The list of files and THE ORDER of things will be posted.
Serge.
and nothing happens.
I kept getting confused with one of those things - kept deleting it!
Thanks to SNAPSHOT I was able to recover. I find nothing wrong with re-writing a previous "version" - are you saying you do?
With the H55 board I was able to get rid of everything ROOT everywhere.
ENUM was down to nothing except the ROOT entry - all "beneath" it was gone.
The H61 board for some reason will not allow as large a deletion.
I hope I sent you the H55 version - did it say GRANT in the title? If it did that was the H55 version.
I made MANY deletions one at a time. Got lots of exercise going up and downstairs to the other computer.
Now to look at your post.
Steppe seems to have made the substitution . . .
Having to hand a copy of Win2K from way back when, I extracted the file and got it to run successfully on my main cMP2 rig. I even managed to "Res Hack" it from 1.7 to 1.5 MB (compared to 2 MB for the "hacked" Pro version).
My system is sounding better than it ever has though how much of that is down to the different version of ntoskrnl.exe I cannot say (as I've been making other changes).
But, Alas!, another inmate couldn't get his setup to boot using the same file. IOW, the problem is not necessarily version-specific.
Damn!
Dave
I do not think minlogon has anything to do with it since I always have implemented minlogon.
Maybe the fact that your OS has what is required for networking has left enough "in" for the change to be made?
Did you have an old install disk laying about or is there somewhere one can go?
I had tried, unsuccessfully, a week or so back to make this substitution. Maybe the version you are using works and others do not.
Any direction would be appreciated/
Hi Riboge?
What is the trick you used?
It won't work when I substitute:
The ntoskernell which is in mini-xp:
NT Kernel & system
5.1.2600.2622
14-11-2005
2,07 MB
with the one I extracted from a W2K disk:
NT Kernel & system
5.00.2195.1
7-12-1999
1,56 MB
At boot up I get a message it is missing DLL's too startup correctly.
(I disabled Win file protection)
Any idea's why it may not work in my setup?
Mark
cMP2 PC > ESI Juli@ > Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII > Lavry Black DA10 > XLR Mogami Gold > Klein & Hummel O300
I extracted ntoskrnl.ex_ from an .iso of Windows 2000 Pro (no sp). This was dated 9/3/02 and is 967KB in properties, no version number given. Is this in fact the whole of "NT Kernel & system"? I don't know. I simply put this as .exe in \system32\ in place of the ntoskrnl.exe that was there, which is just like the one you have. There was no problem. The one you tried to substitute is larger and the same version steppe said he used. You are likelier than me to be able to explain what is happening.
Hi Riboge,
Thank you for your quick repsonce.
Could check which w2k version you use?
Version info is available with:
right click on ntoskrnl.exe > properties > version > file version.
Mark
cMP2 PC > ESI Juli@ > Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII > Lavry Black DA10 > XLR Mogami Gold > Klein & Hummel O300
Perhaps you missed that I said there was no version number given in properties. I did give wrong details, though, which were for the ntoskrnl.exe in xp home which I considered substituting but didn't. The correct details are that the file(an archive) is 744KB (unpacked 1,640KB) and is dated 12/7/99, still after the date of the version you used by 5 mo. Perhaps the difference is that mine came from a pro version?
Hi Riboge,
Thank you for the info.
My w2k version is pakked 744 kB
and unpakked 1603 kB.
May be other inmates can shed some light on it, why simply subtituting in the ntoskrnl.exe in my mini-xp setup with a w2k-version won't work.
Thank you for responce.
Mark
cMP2 PC > ESI Juli@ > Van den Hul Optocoupler MkII > Lavry Black DA10 > XLR Mogami Gold > Klein & Hummel O300
Where did you get the win2k ntoskrnl.exe?
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