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In Reply to: RE: Oops... sorry, forgot to mention that problem... posted by GStew on December 31, 2011 at 09:09:24
Who needs to go back and forth?
Just connect the drive to another computer to do what you want to do.
You might be pleasantly surprised by what happens with a minimal installation. There is no comparison to where you are (per Grant) and where this can be with all unnecessary files and folders deleted and corresponding removal of references to these files in the registry.
To each his own. But one wonders how to compare these old WINDOWS versions to the minimal setup when the folks who are experimenting with them (as far as I know) are not comparing them to a fully minimized XP PRO SP2.
I would have thought you would be one of the first to forego convenience for sound quality. I suspect greater gain is there than making one's own SATA cables though that is something worth trying. My concern is where to get the connectors since I don't think cutting off the ends and soldering some new wire inbetween is a good idea. The bad wire is still there and soldered joints can be a problem for digital signals if one has not done it perfectly which is, of course, impossible. We have to do the best we can.
You have this great wire with two bottlemecks.
Now if you want to make it REALLY good you would directly solder the good wire to the HDD and the MB doing without the connectors. That would probably do something worthwhile.
IDE is out of the question for me since I have unsoldered the chip!
Follow Ups:
I'm a big fan of the work you, Steppe, Jolida, Theob, Grant. JackWong96, and others have been doing in developing the 'slimmed-down' WinXP installation. Honestly, the only reason I haven't applied all of the tweaks to my setup is that I wanted to keep the software side constant while I've been tweaking on the Juli@ digital section to make it easier to hear the differences. Once I get to a good settling point on the Extreme Juli@ mods, I'll go down the slimming-down route. I will say that applying the first set of slimming tweaks to my system (Steppe 1-5, the early Jolidas) made the largest system/software-related improvement in my setup's SQ & was on par to any one of the major power supply upgrades (Antec-> Hybrid/Linear w/PicoPSU, Hybrid/Linear-> Fully Linear, Bus-powered-Juli@-> separate power). Having heard that improvement, I'm clear on the magic that I'll hear when I perform the Slimming-Windows tweaks.
But one assumption I've held (and as far as I know, as yet untested) is that starting with an SP1 or Home system that starts out with a smaller file and installation footprint and sounding better than the typical by-the-instructions SP2 system will result in an even better sounding final setup after doing the Windows-Slimming. This may not be true... A lot of the work done in the slimming effort will minimize the footprint differences between the various versions of WinXP. But the remaining components will likely still be a bit simpler if they come from an SP1 or Home initial install (or earlier). Will it make a difference? Dunno... And honestly, I probably won't take the time to setup that comparison, got too many other interesting areas to explore.
But it was good to hear confirmation from JackWong on the SQ benefits of using an earlier, simpler Windows version over Pro/SP2 or later.
About the link to the SATA cable thread on DIYAudio.com, I really was only pointing out the post on the German audiophiles using Win98 for their audio systems... Makes even the most extreme cMP-Windows-Slimming efforts look a bit mainstream by comparison!
But on the subject of SATA cables & sounds, I'm not sure where I'm at on that. I do wonder about the suggestions from Mihaylov & others about small, simple IDE-connected drives for the OpSys drive, but I suspect that's more a matter of IDE processing vs SATA. These also come in SATA-connected versions, but I got the impression from their comments that IDE had some benefits. But back to the actual SATA cable, I'm open to it making a difference (remember Peter D's comments on that 3 1/2 years back?), but would tend to go with an ultra-short exotic-wire ones like Peter used... And soldered at one end like he did (and you also suggested).
On the connectors, I found some cables in one of my local computer stores that have snap-apart end-housings. So one can pop them open and solder directly to the end-connectors instead of retaining any of the original wire. If you ever care to experiment, if you can't find this locally, I can send you some.
But I think that power to the drives, SATA or IDE, is more important... and when I have a few spare minutes, I've got a 3.3v undervolting SATA power regulator to put in and try on my SSD, inspired by Douwe01NL's posts.
And finally thanks to you for being one of the 'beta-testers' on chip removal. Another great mod direction!
Later!
Greg in Mississippi
P.S. You do have me pegged as a 'hair-shirt' kind of guy with my audio stuff. Two of my not-too-distant past digital sources were a Peter-Daniel-inspired Shigaclone (bare-bones home-built CD drive) and before that a modified Sony PS-1 (not even a track display although I was able to come up with a remote for it!).
Everything matters!
It seems to me that you are trying something analogous to deciding how to voice a preamp using what you know is an amplifer not as good as it can be.
The transparency that results from getting rid of lots of sonic clutter could only make your task easier. I feel certain what your mod's effect would be more clearly apparent with the best cMP installation.
Tell me the brand name of the SATA connectors. I still think the way to mazimize it would be to solder one end directly to the board. I have found connectors to be one of the worst offenders when it comes to acheiving good sound. I am thinking for these frequencies the Allen Wright silver foils might be really good. I see the connectors are far apart on the standard SATA cable which would reduce capacitance at the expense of inductance which does seem kind of strange for a high frequency conductor but is this because the buffer/drivers (?) are not up to driving a higher capactitance? Was this discussed?
Simple is always better until it isn't. My most recent experience with this idea was installing a non-acpi version of XP Pro. I thought it sounded really good especially after it was "minimized". I fought with Junaid who said the acpi version sounded better. I did not want to do another re-install this quickly and I assumed the archaic had to be better. In this case it did not turn out to be so. Of course no rule holds fast for everything and it well could be that a more archaic version of XP Pro or Home could well be better. I would be glad to give it a try.
To close this brings me to what I consider a discontinuity that I cannot resolve - why would someone try the archaic OS without having first tried the minimal Pro since both seem to offer the same level of inconvenience which I know (damn well!) that you are a not a slave to. I know, that like myself, you take pride in making digital audio as difficult to use as a well set-up turntable!
If it were tricky to get to this current end point I would understand your reluctance but it is actually simple to get there. Just connect your drive to another computer and get rid of the files. No need for batch files, just delete all of the files between the ones you need. Just make sure you leave the OS in cMP mode before doing this (which seems to be the case, anyway) Especially if you get rid of EXPLORER which NEEDS to be got rid of.
I tried deleting JULI@ Controller in the registry and it no longer worked. I do not think one can get rid of this.
and I feel sure WOMBAT is being as facetious as a human being can be.
I think I will wait this one out!
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